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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #450 on: September 27, 2014, 10:52:53 pm »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #451 on: September 27, 2014, 10:54:45 pm »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.
His plan might just have been "get reactions to the claim and soulread which of them are scummy and which towny".
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #452 on: September 27, 2014, 10:55:52 pm »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.
Does scum ever make a plan, not invent a reason and just claim to not be willing to explain their reason when pressed?

No, I think town or scum, he thought through everything through about this.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #453 on: September 27, 2014, 10:56:46 pm »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.

Faith is about not having information.  If you knew his plan, you could reason out whether it was good or not.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #454 on: September 27, 2014, 10:58:00 pm »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.
His plan might just have been "get reactions to the claim and soulread which of them are scummy and which towny".
It would be nice to here something like that from him.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #455 on: September 28, 2014, 12:10:13 am »

I have asked yuma what will happen with the modding situation. For now, play on.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start
« Reply #456 on: September 28, 2014, 12:16:01 am »

Vote Count 1.5

Ichimaru (2): ADK, joth
silverspawn (1): Jimmmmm
joth (1): Hydrad
Witherweaver (2): faust, Eevee
Eevee (1): Witherweaver
 
Not Voting (4): ashersky, xerxes, ichimaru, silver

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #457 on: September 28, 2014, 12:19:02 am »

I have a hard time having faith in his plan when he won't explain what it is.
His plan might just have been "get reactions to the claim and soulread which of them are scummy and which towny".
It would be nice to here something like that from him.

Given Eevee gave him this answer, he could just quote it.

I'll vote: Eevee at this point.  Scummy odd hedging before (Eevee is not a hedger -- he's a buddier, but not a hedger) and then feeding Silver lines.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #458 on: September 28, 2014, 12:51:26 am »

Let's say my plan was to force reactions. If I opened the game with "Hey, I'm a VT. I'm telling you this to see how you react," the usefulness of the whole claim would have flown right out the window. Sure, I could tell it now, but there's no harm if I don't. I assure you that it would not help us if I did. If anything, it would make me look better, but it's really easy for scum!me to say, yea I wanted to force reactions.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #459 on: September 28, 2014, 01:18:19 am »

I'm just catching up with some Forum stuff... it looks like we are all set here though, with mail-mi taking over? Let me know if this isn't the case. Otherwise, play on!
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #460 on: September 28, 2014, 01:18:38 am »

And can I get the speccy?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #461 on: September 28, 2014, 06:45:04 pm »

Crickets! And I'm the biggest wagon, yikes.

I don't know why "feeding silver lines is scummy", but since he isn't telling us anything, all we can do is speculate. I don't know if I've been any more hedgy than usual, day 1 all your reads are still kind of fuzzy (see what I did there?).

I'm emerging with a stronger and stronger non-mafia (town, or maybe SK) read on SS. Joth, as I explained also a town read, although lighter. Faust has made sense to me, small town read for that.

I guess anyone else I could see myself voting really. Might need to do some rereading to find a candidate I really like, for now faust's case on WW is my favorite.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #462 on: September 28, 2014, 07:01:49 pm »

Crickets! And I'm the biggest wagon, yikes.

I don't know why "feeding silver lines is scummy", but since he isn't telling us anything, all we can do is speculate. I don't know if I've been any more hedgy than usual, day 1 all your reads are still kind of fuzzy (see what I did there?).

I'm emerging with a stronger and stronger non-mafia (town, or maybe SK) read on SS. Joth, as I explained also a town read, although lighter. Faust has made sense to me, small town read for that.

I guess anyone else I could see myself voting really. Might need to do some rereading to find a candidate I really like, for now faust's case on WW is my favorite.

I thought it was your case first...
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #463 on: September 28, 2014, 07:08:43 pm »

So, I'm rereading, trying to make sense of all the crazy stuff that happened. A timeline:

#61: silverspawn claims VT
#74: Ichi wants to know why silverspawn doesn't want to talk about his claim
#78: Eevee votes Ichi in response
#86: Eevee asks why scum!silverspawn would want to draw attention like that
#87: ashersky says he might have a plan
#90: Jimmmmm votes silverspawn
#100: ashersky "doesn't like the claim"
#119: joth doesn't think silverspawn is scum
#132: WW presses silverspawn to talk about his claim
#145: ADK votes Ichi for hedging on silverspawn
#147: ADK proposes the SK!silverspawn theory, votes him
#149: WW says it "makes some sense"
#152: Ichi agrees with ADK
#158: WW explains my vote on silverspawn
#166: WW votes Ichi
#169: silverspawn presents a very odd view on ethics
#170: silverspawn votes Ichi
#175: WW says I could be Ichi's partner
#181: joth votes Ichi, L-1
#190: WW asks Ichi what he'll flip
#195: WW unvotes
#211: joth unvotes
#225: WW admits to having known Ichi was not hammered when pressing him to claim
#235: ADK votes Ichi

Well... I don't think joth was particularly scummy here (neither townie though). Ichi I still feel could be scum. But who really troubles me is WW. He does basically the same things that Ichi was found scummy for in the first place (rolefishing with silverspawn, sheeping/hedging the SK!silverspawn case), then pushes Ichi for being too much within his meta and actually presses him to claim when he knows he isn't lynched. What's more, he does all this without getting even a single vote. WW's behaviour is easily the most scummy I've seen in my reread.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #464 on: September 28, 2014, 09:36:47 pm »

Ash makes sense, so I'll sheep him. Or maybe IG again. Noone seems very towny at all. vote: eevee
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #465 on: September 28, 2014, 09:56:20 pm »

What Eevee is doing seems logical/honest to me. I'm in a weird position here, but I really don't find it scummy. Maybe it's because I've never seen scum!Eevee. But I'm not voting.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #466 on: September 28, 2014, 09:59:45 pm »

Ash makes sense, so I'll sheep him. Or maybe IG again. Noone seems very towny at all. vote: eevee
I literally feel like I'm your #1 suspect in every game we play.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #467 on: September 28, 2014, 11:06:38 pm »

I feel like some players are flying under the radar here, not in terms of how much they're posting but in terms of scrutiny they've been under. I'm kind of one of them, but I'd also point out faust, jim, ash. I don't want to lynch ash day one on principle but I think that the focus here has been on a few players and that's not good for town.

So I guess, out of those players:

ash seems like his regular self, and he's VLA so I don't expect too high activity from him.
faust is difficult for me to read, but I think he's doing a very good job of blending in, so a few scum points for him.
jim's another VLA but seems like he might be lurking beyond that.
Hydrad wasn't on my original list but he also I think has avoided some scrutiny.

I still like my Ichi vote, for how he acted before, during and after his fake lynch, but I guess I'd toss those points out there for consideration.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #468 on: September 28, 2014, 11:23:48 pm »

I agree with your points ADK. Though I don't think XP has gotten much suspicion either from what I remember.
Neither he nor Jimmmmm were around for my wagon though.

Still don't get much of the votes on Eevee. And not sure what to make of silver here either. Blah, I feel like something else has to happen to get this game rolling again. Some town points go to everyone that's at least around and posting a fair amount I guess.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #469 on: September 29, 2014, 08:07:19 am »

Ash makes sense, so I'll sheep him. Or maybe IG again. Noone seems very towny at all. vote: eevee
I literally feel like I'm your #1 suspect in every game we play.

Sorry - it's just that you generally (like when I'm spectating) look really towny to me, so maybe I'm overcompensating.
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« Reply #470 on: September 29, 2014, 08:08:59 am »

And yeah, nobody really has suspected me yet, even though I've lurked a lot this game. Seems strange, but I'm fine with it.
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« Reply #471 on: September 29, 2014, 08:10:52 am »

And yeah, nobody really has suspected me yet, even though I've lurked a lot this game. Seems strange, but I'm fine with it.
It's been easy to avoid scrutiny, because IG and silver have been dominating the day so much.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #472 on: September 29, 2014, 11:10:55 am »

I feel like some players are flying under the radar here, not in terms of how much they're posting but in terms of scrutiny they've been under. I'm kind of one of them, but I'd also point out faust, jim, ash. I don't want to lynch ash day one on principle but I think that the focus here has been on a few players and that's not good for town.

So I guess, out of those players:

ash seems like his regular self, and he's VLA so I don't expect too high activity from him.
faust is difficult for me to read, but I think he's doing a very good job of blending in, so a few scum points for him.
jim's another VLA but seems like he might be lurking beyond that.
Hydrad wasn't on my original list but he also I think has avoided some scrutiny.

I still like my Ichi vote, for how he acted before, during and after his fake lynch, but I guess I'd toss those points out there for consideration.

Phew, I always get accused of "blending in"; maybe I should claim VT more often.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #473 on: September 29, 2014, 11:25:00 am »

Not completely up to date yet. I find these two posts by Ichi scummy:

Well IVote: Ichimaru, that's so scummy.
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It's almost like half "creating suspicion where no suspicion is due" and half "blatant rolefishing".
Where no suspicion is due?

Who claims VT immediately day 1? This is incredibly suspicious behavior. I don't entirely get your comment about it "leading down a dark route", but that doesn't sound as if you approve of it.

PPE: 7

I looked back over people's reactions to silver's claim and Ichi stood out as someone who said/implied that it was scummy but didn't actually vote for silverspawn. So vote: Ichimaru Gin.
That's because I was (and am) policy voting Jimmmmm. I just woke up and haven't checked to see if he's changed his avatar yet.

Checking reveals that he has changed his avatar back, so I am free to vote elsewhere now. Didn't you policy vote Jimmmmm as well for the same reason? We're probably in different time zones though, cause when I went to bed, he was still Robz.

Oh wait, I get it. Silverspawn is the SK, and he wants to avoid being targeted by mafia.

Vote: silverspawn

ppe: that was a joke vote, not a policy vote, and I'm very suspicious that you're actually claiming it as such. But what do you think about my theory on SS?
My vote was about as close to a policy vote as I've ever done. It's confusing as heck having a fake Robz running around.

I find your theory on SS highly plausible. It would explain his refusal to give reasoning for his "claim" and him claiming in the first place. He had to have known that he would get heat for it though. The SK win condition seems pretty chancy given that if some mafia die first, they have no chance of winning. So maybe he just decided to have fun with things.

PPE: I am ready to vote for silverspawn. I find this a little odd, since it's like SK hunting--but I think ADK's theory makes the most sense so far.

PPE: more

Just getting the sense that he's trying too hard to come up with reasons to do things. It's relatively minor, but it's a scum vibe, and enough for a Vote: Ichi for now.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #474 on: September 29, 2014, 12:08:13 pm »

Phew, I always get accused of "blending in"; maybe I should claim VT more often.

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