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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #425 on: September 27, 2014, 12:17:13 am »

ash you wanted to reply last monday. has something come up or did you just forget it?

Reply to what?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #426 on: September 27, 2014, 12:19:56 am »

uh... my pm?

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« Reply #427 on: September 27, 2014, 12:21:52 am »

uh... my pm?

Oh, about your setup?

Yeah, I haven't had time to delve into it.  Probably better for you have asked by PM about your PM, not in this game thread, as it made no sense to me here.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #428 on: September 27, 2014, 12:24:02 am »

this way seemed more casual

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« Reply #429 on: September 27, 2014, 12:28:28 am »

this way seems a lot like poor mafia sportsmanship. One should not be discussing anything related to the game via PM. By extension, one shouldn't discuss PMs in the game, as your mutual referencing of a message that contains non-public information could be seen as talking in code.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #430 on: September 27, 2014, 12:33:13 am »

this way seems a lot like poor mafia sportsmanship. One should not be discussing anything related to the game via PM. By extension, one shouldn't discuss PMs in the game, as your mutual referencing of a message that contains non-public information could be seen as talking in code.

I agree.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #431 on: September 27, 2014, 12:45:45 am »

this way seems a lot like poor mafia sportsmanship. One should not be discussing anything related to the game via PM. By extension, one shouldn't discuss PMs in the game, as your mutual referencing of a message that contains non-public information could be seen as talking in code.

I think it's fine (well I thought about it before I did it, and decided it was fine, otherwise I would not have done it). Firstly, it's obvious that the other way is BM. You can't discuss the game, or anything related to the game outside of the game, because that's just the rules. However, I don't see a problem with discussing outside stuff inside of the game. We discuss avatars during the game, and noone has a problem with that. Chairs mentioned stuff about his kid, and noone has a problem with that, and I'm sure there are other examples.

You made a point about non-public information. While I totally agree that you could figure out a way to cheat like this, I don't think that's reason. There is actually zero assurance that players don't cheat. If you want to cheat in f.ds mafia, you don't need to invent codes or send hidden messages, you can just do it via pm, and there is nothing that can stop you. You just have to trust the players not to do it.

And another thing is, even if you ask something about mafia in general, it's not related to the game. If you look close enough, you'll see that you do this all the time. You saying that it might not be okay is not related to the game. You could have done that via pm.

So, I really don't think it's a problem.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #432 on: September 27, 2014, 12:49:17 am »

I also think it can be possible to create reads from discussing things in the game that are not related to the game, because players might have a different mindset or be more/less willing to do so if they are or are not town. My post, for example, has brought attention to me, even though it was not related to the game. In this game, my first post was  a claim, so I obviously don't mind the attention here, but I might not want it as scum.

Stuff like the above has happened before I think.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #433 on: September 27, 2014, 05:27:30 am »

Eevee's post was a bit scummy, I can agree there, but overall I find WW scummier.

silverspawn shouldn't discuss anything related to secret infomation in thread. At the very least, I hope you talk these things over with yuma before you do them. We don't want you modkilled or something (probably).
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #434 on: September 27, 2014, 02:15:30 pm »

question. does everyone usually have a person that they can't read at all? Because right now I'll say that I think XP is scummy slightly. But in every game I've played with him I've basically seen him scummy and been wrong about it. I don't know why but I just can't figure it out. I know hes only posted 3 posts right now so I can't read him right away and hopefully I will have a better read after a bit more. But my gut reaction right now is a scummy XP...
Yeah, you and silverspawn seem to have this automatically part of your reads, so I have to not OMGUS especially with you.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #435 on: September 27, 2014, 03:36:08 pm »

So things seem to have stalled a little bit, which isn't good. A lot of the crazy action first thing is kinda over, and now we're left trying to analyze everything that happened regarding my wagon and silver's claim.
It's good to see XP here.
I don't really buy the scum case against Eevee. At this point, I don't have many strong reads either way. Mostly, I still fault silver and joth for opportunistic voting (I know joth had reasons, but I still feel he should have put them with his vote). I'm glad at least that my wagon gives us a lot of information and stuff to analyze. Pretty much everyone made a commitment to it one way or the other, so that's good.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #436 on: September 27, 2014, 05:34:14 pm »

I think silver's off-topic posts are distracting and therefore somewhat scummy.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #437 on: September 27, 2014, 09:22:32 pm »

Maybe coming from a vet but I think from a newer player still learning the ropes of the etiquette and such it's whatever.

But I'm still leaning scum on the whole VT claim thing.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #438 on: September 27, 2014, 10:12:14 pm »

I honestly don't think the silver lynch is happening. Got any other plans?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #439 on: September 27, 2014, 10:16:05 pm »

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #440 on: September 27, 2014, 10:17:30 pm »

There's a backup mod.  I think we just have to play on.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #441 on: September 27, 2014, 10:17:52 pm »

There's a backup mod.  I think we just have to play on.
Ok. I was unsure about that.

Thank you for telling me.

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« Reply #442 on: September 27, 2014, 10:19:17 pm »

There's a backup mod.  I think we just have to play on.
Ok. I was unsure about that.

Thank you for telling me.

mail-mi can confirm for us, but I assume he has access to the mod QT and all that.  It's a semi-open setup anyway.

It's really sad, but I see this as his final legacy game, given he invented it.  Let's do him the honor of playing it out strongly.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #443 on: September 27, 2014, 10:23:16 pm »

I keep going back and forth and Silver and I've settled on the VT claim completely null WIFOM.  I'm going to ignore it.  I suggest we examine his other play.   Nothing really screams town to me, though he has been prodding people, which could be legitimate scum hunting.
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« Reply #444 on: September 27, 2014, 10:25:00 pm »

I keep going back and forth and Silver and I've settled on the VT claim completely null WIFOM.  I'm going to ignore it.  I suggest we examine his other play.   Nothing really screams town to me, though he has been prodding people, which could be legitimate scum hunting.

I mean, there's definitely "newbie town just claims VT because it's sort of boring to be a VT and what harm can come of it" claiming, and then there's "I'm well aware that there's a newbie type of claiming that will be forgive and give me lots of towncred" claiming.

It's hard to tell the difference.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #445 on: September 27, 2014, 10:28:14 pm »

I keep going back and forth and Silver and I've settled on the VT claim completely null WIFOM.  I'm going to ignore it.  I suggest we examine his other play.   Nothing really screams town to me, though he has been prodding people, which could be legitimate scum hunting.

I mean, there's definitely "newbie town just claims VT because it's sort of boring to be a VT and what harm can come of it" claiming, and then there's "I'm well aware that there's a newbie type of claiming that will be forgive and give me lots of towncred" claiming.

It's hard to tell the difference.
I definitely don't think silverspawn is doing the former, but I'm don't agree it means that it has to be the latter.

I think, whatever SS's alignment, he did give this issue more thought than "it's so boring to be a VT". He claims he still thinks what he did is helping town.. I don't know if I agree, but just how bold it is feels quite town to me.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #446 on: September 27, 2014, 10:32:50 pm »

I keep going back and forth and Silver and I've settled on the VT claim completely null WIFOM.  I'm going to ignore it.  I suggest we examine his other play.   Nothing really screams town to me, though he has been prodding people, which could be legitimate scum hunting.

I mean, there's definitely "newbie town just claims VT because it's sort of boring to be a VT and what harm can come of it" claiming, and then there's "I'm well aware that there's a newbie type of claiming that will be forgive and give me lots of towncred" claiming.

It's hard to tell the difference.
I definitely don't think silverspawn is doing the former, but I'm don't agree it means that it has to be the latter.

I think, whatever SS's alignment, he did give this issue more thought than "it's so boring to be a VT". He claims he still thinks what he did is helping town.. I don't know if I agree, but just how bold it is feels quite town to me.
Exactly. SS has at least 100% alluded to having a reason for his claim. I do not see him doing this as "newbie play". How many games has he been in so far? At any rate, that alone clears some sort of newbie defense for me--not that I think silver would want to make that defense anyway. I just wish he would tell us his reasoning, but his new playstyle is more cryptic apparently.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #447 on: September 27, 2014, 10:37:43 pm »

Silverspawn is like one of the top 15 dominion players in the world. Dude is obviously very very smart. No "I honestly didn't think of it much" defense applies here, not that I think he would want to use one.
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« Reply #448 on: September 27, 2014, 10:48:32 pm »

He has a couple games under his belt, not really so newbieish.  I think he had a plan.  Scum or Town is not really discernable from that alone
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« Reply #449 on: September 27, 2014, 10:51:28 pm »

He has a couple games under his belt, not really so newbieish.  I think he had a plan.  Scum or Town is not really discernable from that alone
Other in that town is more likely to go for a bold plan.
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