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Author Topic: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Serial Killer (ashersky) wins!  (Read 170766 times)

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #350 on: September 26, 2014, 01:04:35 pm »

I think what ss did was fine once but shouldn't be repeated. I think I can guess his motives. IG hasn't really screamed town or scum - a little scummy but still <50%.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #351 on: September 26, 2014, 01:06:29 pm »

oh hi XP!
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For anyone else, such a statement would be a scum tell.  For Hydrad, it's simply a tell that you're reading something from Hydrad.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #352 on: September 26, 2014, 01:10:57 pm »

Hi. Sorry for lurking - I am reading everything though, that's how I responded immediately. I don't have any reads here, and the setup can't really be looked at until something happens, so I'm not sure what to say. I could help lynch IG, I guess.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #353 on: September 26, 2014, 01:12:01 pm »

XP, is your new avatar permanent?

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #354 on: September 26, 2014, 03:06:24 pm »

Here we go. . .

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #356 on: September 26, 2014, 04:30:13 pm »

Eevee just wondering. You were originally on the IG wagon. I don't know if you've stated your ideas on the wagon. did you get a towny vibe from it or scummy?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #357 on: September 26, 2014, 04:47:28 pm »

Eevee just wondering. You were originally on the IG wagon. I don't know if you've stated your ideas on the wagon. did you get a towny vibe from it or scummy?
Honestly, I don't remember voting for IG. The whole "lynched or not lynched" episode happened when I was offline. I'm pretty sure my vote at the time was just a pressure vote, vote to make him feel the heat and give us information.

I'm a big proponent of lynch mafia not scum. Just because IG appears scummy, we don't have to lynch him if the scum narrative doesn't add up. I'm not sure it does here. One big issue I have is why wouldn't he fakeclaim if he was scum? The other is that everyone is so gung-ho against him.

Honestly, maybe he is scummier than your average person, but not my ideal lynch choise for today if we are only factoring in the chance to hit scum. There is of course the fact that anyone who has been near lynched is going to be an informational lynch, were he to flip scum we could more or less absolve the first attackers for example.

So, I don't know. I find the wagon, especially joth, a bit over-eager.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #358 on: September 26, 2014, 04:49:16 pm »

Eevee just wondering. You were originally on the IG wagon. I don't know if you've stated your ideas on the wagon. did you get a towny vibe from it or scummy?
Honestly, I don't remember voting for IG. The whole "lynched or not lynched" episode happened when I was offline. I'm pretty sure my vote at the time was just a pressure vote, vote to make him feel the heat and give us information.

I'm a big proponent of lynch mafia not scum. Just because IG appears scummy, we don't have to lynch him if the scum narrative doesn't add up. I'm not sure it does here. One big issue I have is why wouldn't he fakeclaim if he was scum? The other is that everyone is so gung-ho against him.

Honestly, maybe he is scummier than your average person, but not my ideal lynch choise for today if we are only factoring in the chance to hit scum. There is of course the fact that anyone who has been near lynched is going to be an informational lynch, were he to flip scum we could more or less absolve the first attackers for example.

So, I don't know. I find the wagon, especially joth, a bit over-eager.

He wouldn't have had a chance to fake claim from his perspective.  He thought he was derphammered.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #359 on: September 26, 2014, 04:50:15 pm »

Hmmh. That does make sense.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #360 on: September 26, 2014, 04:50:26 pm »

And

Vote: Eevee


For the "yeah he's not that scummy and I don't want to lynch him but maybe let's go ahead and lynch him anyway or 'best info'" kind of post.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #361 on: September 26, 2014, 04:50:39 pm »

And pushes me back to being a fan of the wagon. Damn I'm easy.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #362 on: September 26, 2014, 04:51:26 pm »

And

Vote: Eevee


For the "yeah he's not that scummy and I don't want to lynch him but maybe let's go ahead and lynch him anyway or 'best info'" kind of post.
He absolutely is scummy! I'm just not sure the scum narrative is actually there. And I'm not saying lynch him for info. I'm saying he'd easily be the most information flip at this point.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #363 on: September 26, 2014, 05:08:58 pm »

Awww, man Witherweaver beat me to it! But here's some other things.

- The "Oh did I vote? I didn't remember that, guess it was just a pressure vote"

- This.

I quickly just reread joth, and think he is town too.

So, I don't know. I find the wagon, especially joth, a bit over-eager.

Anyway, Vote: Eevee
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #364 on: September 26, 2014, 05:11:42 pm »

I mean, you are over-eager. Maybe playing up your certainty on purpose, I don't know. I'm not saying it makes you scum.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #365 on: September 26, 2014, 05:41:48 pm »

I don't find Eevee's responses particularly scummy here. Joth, on the other hand, seems to gain scum reads in an oddly opportunistic way.

vote: Joth

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #366 on: September 26, 2014, 05:47:36 pm »

Look how and when Eevee has voted for IG:

Well IVote: Ichimaru, that's so scummy.

This was a far less serious vote than the ones that followed. It is very believable that he doesn't remember it.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #367 on: September 26, 2014, 05:47:57 pm »

Ok, you can call it opportunism, but I was literally going to vote before I saw WW's vote. I found Eevee's post very scummy. I still find IG scummy, but that wagon is stalled, for better or for worse.

Eevee's post was SUPER scummy. It was hedgy. It tried to downplay previous votes/rewrite history. It was inconsistent with reads he'd offered previously (although I concede that maybe that last one was just a product of me misreading "I find the wagon, especially joth, a bit over-eager" as "I find the wagon scummy")
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #368 on: September 26, 2014, 05:48:31 pm »

Votes are serious business. You should remember making them.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #369 on: September 26, 2014, 05:49:19 pm »

It was barely after the RVS.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #370 on: September 26, 2014, 05:50:02 pm »

Ok, you can call it opportunism, but I was literally going to vote before I saw WW's vote. I found Eevee's post very scummy. I still find IG scummy, but that wagon is stalled, for better or for worse.

Or you're just scum.

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« Reply #371 on: September 26, 2014, 05:50:52 pm »

Votes are serious business. You should remember making them.
Interesting that you say this after nearly derphammering me and then arguing how awesome derphammers are.

Mostly, I agree with this though. However, silver's early claim pretty much cut RVS to nothing, so I can understand Eeevee making his vote on me for slight reasons and later forgetting it.

PPE: silver

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #372 on: September 26, 2014, 05:52:34 pm »

I stand by that vote. There's no contradiction there at all. ANd SS, if you RVS (and I'm not at all conceding that Eevee's vote was RVS, but hypothetically if you do) someone and then a wagon builds on them and you don't move your vote, that's even scummier.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #373 on: September 26, 2014, 05:53:59 pm »

So it's possible to believe that votes are very serious and then vote posting any reasoning and without really checking the thread at all, and nearly hammering someone by accident? And there's no contradiction there?

Sorry, but I don't really see it.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #374 on: September 26, 2014, 05:54:28 pm »

How is it to play scum two games in a row? Are you getting better at it, or is it annoying because you'd rather be town?
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