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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #300 on: September 25, 2014, 12:39:42 pm »

Well let me rephrase.. if I was scum trying to get town!Ichi's role, that would be very poorly done by me.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #301 on: September 25, 2014, 12:43:56 pm »

It was public knowledge that Ichi wasn't hammered.. why would I try to get his role?  I knew from the beginning that he was still alive.

I think it's pretty clear I wanted to get him to talk while he was under the impression that he was hammered so that he might slip something to reveal his alignment.

You wanter to know whether he was a PR or not.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #302 on: September 25, 2014, 12:44:18 pm »

Well let me rephrase.. if I was scum trying to get town!Ichi's role, that would be very poorly done by me.

Well, yes.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #303 on: September 25, 2014, 04:23:55 pm »

Vote: Wither

Faust makes a lot of good points. WW joined the Ichi wagon on a critical point (which is scummy if Ichi is town), and the comment about faust felt like it could be setting things up for tomorrow.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #304 on: September 25, 2014, 04:24:51 pm »

Again, not my scum play.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #305 on: September 25, 2014, 04:28:05 pm »

Again, not my scum play.
Fortunately your town play has always been extremely pro-town. Makes it easier to hold you accountable the times you do something (debatably) anti-town.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #306 on: September 25, 2014, 04:28:36 pm »

Again, not my scum play.
Fortunately your town play has always been extremely pro-town. Makes it easier to hold you accountable the times you do something (debatably) anti-town.

My scum play is pretty pro-town as well.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #307 on: September 25, 2014, 04:37:43 pm »

Actually unvote. silverspawn is entertaining. I want to see where this goes.

Who else is scummy? Hydrad, I guess. Vote: Hydrad

PPE 5

What? Why?

I don't want to distract too much from examining WW, because I think that's worth doing here, but faust, you never answered this.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #308 on: September 25, 2014, 04:38:10 pm »

But I'm assuming if you do something (debatably) anti-town thats something scum WW would have a higher chance then town WW?

PPE:1
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #309 on: September 25, 2014, 04:40:24 pm »

also asher you mentioned you might have a plan. But did that plan get scrapped when you decided it wasn't that worth to figure out the setup?
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #310 on: September 25, 2014, 04:41:38 pm »

But I'm assuming if you do something (debatably) anti-town thats something scum WW would have a higher chance then town WW?

PPE:1

Nope.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #311 on: September 25, 2014, 04:42:37 pm »

But I'm assuming if you do something (debatably) anti-town thats something scum WW would have a higher chance then town WW?

PPE:1

Nope.

ah well that clears everything up :)
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #312 on: September 25, 2014, 04:43:29 pm »

Actually looking back, WW joining the Ichi wagon like he did might make him townier in my eyes. Scum is going be trying to figure out who their partner/s are/is, so they're probably going to be staying away from quickly growing day one wagons.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #313 on: September 25, 2014, 06:51:08 pm »

Just checking in. Not a ton to say at the moment. I would like to discuss silver's claim more though.

Glad to see some people getting my points on WW PR hunting. One thing that does give me pause is him basically admitting to it though. At the time I noted how amazed I was that he confessed to knowing I hadn't been hammered and pushing me to claim. So either he legitimately didn't see that as a scummy behavior, or there's some weird gambit going on.

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #314 on: September 25, 2014, 06:54:06 pm »

also asher you mentioned you might have a plan. But did that plan get scrapped when you decided it wasn't that worth to figure out the setup?

Not exactly.  Basically no one was interested in discussing setup/theory, which is fine, as we had other things going on.  My one question was how important anyone thinks it is to know which setup we're playing.

My argument is that we should generally be able to see if we have an SK since we'll have multiple kills, so that's not a reason to strive for.  I don't think we care if the mafia team/traitor know each other, as we should just play the game seeking three scum anyway.  And we can't really play around the possible JOAT anyway.

So on the face of it, even though I have a plan that I think probably gets us the setup, I don't think it's worth using.  I'm wondering if there are competing views.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start
« Reply #315 on: September 25, 2014, 06:55:14 pm »

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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #316 on: September 25, 2014, 06:58:22 pm »

also asher you mentioned you might have a plan. But did that plan get scrapped when you decided it wasn't that worth to figure out the setup?

Not exactly.  Basically no one was interested in discussing setup/theory, which is fine, as we had other things going on.  My one question was how important anyone thinks it is to know which setup we're playing.

My argument is that we should generally be able to see if we have an SK since we'll have multiple kills, so that's not a reason to strive for.  I don't think we care if the mafia team/traitor know each other, as we should just play the game seeking three scum anyway.  And we can't really play around the possible JOAT anyway.

So on the face of it, even though I have a plan that I think probably gets us the setup, I don't think it's worth using.  I'm wondering if there are competing views.
This make sense to me. So, I'm not a competing view.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #317 on: September 25, 2014, 06:58:49 pm »

also asher you mentioned you might have a plan. But did that plan get scrapped when you decided it wasn't that worth to figure out the setup?

Not exactly.  Basically no one was interested in discussing setup/theory, which is fine, as we had other things going on.  My one question was how important anyone thinks it is to know which setup we're playing.

My argument is that we should generally be able to see if we have an SK since we'll have multiple kills, so that's not a reason to strive for.  I don't think we care if the mafia team/traitor know each other, as we should just play the game seeking three scum anyway.  And we can't really play around the possible JOAT anyway.

So on the face of it, even though I have a plan that I think probably gets us the setup, I don't think it's worth using.  I'm wondering if there are competing views.

No I think I'm pretty much in agreement. Knowing what scum has doesn't help us much and all finding the setup does is let scum know who has the PR roles.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #318 on: September 25, 2014, 07:06:50 pm »

Just checking in. Not a ton to say at the moment. I would like to discuss silver's claim more though.

Glad to see some people getting my points on WW PR hunting. One thing that does give me pause is him basically admitting to it though. At the time I noted how amazed I was that he confessed to knowing I hadn't been hammered and pushing me to claim. So either he legitimately didn't see that as a scummy behavior, or there's some weird gambit going on.

Or I was doing exactly what I said I was doing.  I realize there was  a chance you'd slip your PR, but I think if you did, I would have accepted you as town.  Other responses could have been informative without you telling what role you had.  You might have just said you were town, or done a "okay you got me I'm scum" thing.  I thought it worth the chance.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #319 on: September 25, 2014, 07:07:16 pm »

Just checking in. Not a ton to say at the moment. I would like to discuss silver's claim more though.

What are your thoughts on it?

Regarding claiming, I certainly don't see any benefit from it right now.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #320 on: September 25, 2014, 07:07:48 pm »

also asher you mentioned you might have a plan. But did that plan get scrapped when you decided it wasn't that worth to figure out the setup?

Not exactly.  Basically no one was interested in discussing setup/theory, which is fine, as we had other things going on.  My one question was how important anyone thinks it is to know which setup we're playing.

My argument is that we should generally be able to see if we have an SK since we'll have multiple kills, so that's not a reason to strive for.  I don't think we care if the mafia team/traitor know each other, as we should just play the game seeking three scum anyway.  And we can't really play around the possible JOAT anyway.

So on the face of it, even though I have a plan that I think probably gets us the setup, I don't think it's worth using.  I'm wondering if there are competing views.

I think not until we get some more information from flips/claims.
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #321 on: September 25, 2014, 07:09:55 pm »

That's enough for me.  I figured I was right.

As there was quite an open period of discussion on the setup with yuma, I did take a look at it fairly often and offered suggestions to make it less breakable.

I really think we should actually ignore it completely for the rest of the day (until someone decides to/has to claim).
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Re: Mafia 51: Silo (Wool) Mafia - Day1 Start - PM for speccy
« Reply #322 on: September 25, 2014, 07:19:39 pm »

Just checking in. Not a ton to say at the moment. I would like to discuss silver's claim more though.

What are your thoughts on it?

Regarding claiming, I certainly don't see any benefit from it right now.
How do you mean?
You don't see any benefit from what, silver's claim?

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« Reply #323 on: September 25, 2014, 07:26:11 pm »

There is not really any way to find out which row/column we are playing without some claims.

A VT doesn't help.

Of course, the PR's that we have can narrow down the possible options.

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« Reply #324 on: September 25, 2014, 07:26:26 pm »

Just checking in. Not a ton to say at the moment. I would like to discuss silver's claim more though.

What are your thoughts on it?

Regarding claiming, I certainly don't see any benefit from it right now.
How do you mean?
You don't see any benefit from what, silver's claim?

I think he thinks my plan is "claiming."  Interesting thought process.
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