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[Eevee]

Good post!

[silverspawn]

Meaningless post.

I think people are freaking out way too much over Sk hunting. If there is an SK, it's an issue for town too. It should be allowed for town to address that without getting instant scum points for it.

[Eevee]

Meaningless post.

I think people are freaking out way too much over Sk hunting. If there is an SK, it's an issue for town too. It should be allowed for town to address that without getting instant scum points for it.

It's not an issue town really has to delve on today.

[Eevee]

And of course it was a good post, he gave us his reads with reasons, and touched on his defensiveness in a rational manner.

[silverspawn]

And of course it was a good post, he gave us his reads with reasons, and touched on his defensiveness in a rational manner.

It was not a bad post. But I think IG is a good enough player to make a post like this as scum. There is nothing wrong with it, but I don't give him town points for it either.

[ashersky]

And of course it was a good post, he gave us his reads with reasons, and touched on his defensiveness in a rational manner.

It was not a bad post. But I think IG is a good enough player to make a post like this as scum. There is nothing wrong with it, but I don't give him town points for it either.

That was fine to say.  "Meaningless post" was not a fair statement.

I think, scum or town, his post was what people were looking for him to contribute.

[silverspawn]

Meaningless post.

I think people are freaking out way too much over Sk hunting. If there is an SK, it's an issue for town too. It should be allowed for town to address that without getting instant scum points for it.

It's not an issue town really has to delve on today.

I don't see any problem discussing it today.

Generally, because SK hunting is considered such a classic scum-tell, I think scum will be so careful about it that it's not really a scum tell at all anymore, unless the scum is a noobie.

IG suspected me of being an SK. Is that okay?

[silverspawn]

I think, scum or town, his post was what people were looking for him to contribute.

The post is fine. I meant meaningless mostly in the context of his image. If you're bothered by that, I take it back.

[ashersky]

Meaningless post.

I think people are freaking out way too much over Sk hunting. If there is an SK, it's an issue for town too. It should be allowed for town to address that without getting instant scum points for it.

It's not an issue town really has to delve on today.

I don't see any problem discussing it today.

Generally, because SK hunting is considered such a classic scum-tell, I think scum will be so careful about it that it's not really a scum tell at all anymore, unless the scum is a noobie.

IG suspected me of being an SK. Is that okay?

Just as scummy as anyone else doing it.

The reason we don't SK hunt in general is it's a big waste of time if there's no SK, and it's mathematically less likely to succeed, given we are guaranteed there are three scum to catch otherwise.  Plus, partners have interactions, no matter what, so that's something to look for.

SK hunting isn't actually hunting, anyway.  It's distracting from actual scum hunting.  That's why it is manifestly scummy, no matter what.

Anyone who's like "hey, let's try to find the SK today!" is anti-town at best, scummy at worst, because they are trying to change the focus of the game away from what we should be doing.

When we know we have an SK to deal with (odds are we don't, right?), we deal with it.  Until then, treat the game like normal.

That's my piece of SK Hunting as a scumtell.

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.2

Eevee (1): Hydrad
Jimmmm (1): Ichimaru
Ichimaru (3): Eevee, faust, ADK
silverspawn (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): ashersky, xerxes, witherweaver, joth, silver

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day1 will last 10 days. The deadline for Day1 will be Friday, October 3 at 7 pm forum time.

[yuma]

Vote: Ichimaru for being even more over-the-top defensive than usual.

vote: ichimaru

For clarity here was the vote count at the time of this vote:

Vote Count 1.1.5

Eevee (1): Hydrad
Jimmmm (1): Ichimaru
Ichimaru (5): Eevee, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn, joth (L-1)
silverspawn (2): Jimmmmm, ADK

Not Voting (2): ashersky, xerxes

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day1 will last 10 days. The deadline for Day1 will be Friday, October 3 at 7 pm forum time.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Forgot I was still voting Jimmmmm
unvote
Since I see he's back to his old self.

[jotheonah]

yuma, I unvoted.

[jotheonah]

oh never mind I can't read.

[jotheonah]

You can disagree with me, but I just got done being scum in a game, and I think scum benefits a lot more from knowing they won't be lynched without a ton of warning and a lot of hemming and hawing. All that said, I'm not going to derphammer anybody on purpose. I'm town, I'll play nice.

Town has this tendency day 1 to run up a wagon, run it down, analyze it and then lynch someone else. And that's kind of fine, I guess, but it means that if scum manages to be the first big wagon of the day, they almost get a town pass. I'd rather not see that happen to Ichimaru, because I still think he's scum.

Ichi, it's not like the case on you is rock solid. But it's a totally fine day 1 case. You're behaving exactly how I expect caught scum to behave. And yeah, maybe that's confirmation bias or whatever, but I'm my gut is still saying you're scum. And unless we manage to put together a better case than that, that's where I'd like to be.

I also hate day 1 and am a big fan of getting it over with as quickly as possible. So, I'm not for sure locked in but vote: Ichimaru until someone convinces me otherwise.

[Hydrad]

Hmm well I thought Ichi was towny before all of this voting happened and while his reaction doesn't really add up to me I can sort of understand it as annoyed town that thinks he just got killed for no reason.

I'm going to Vote: joth for now. If ichi is town I think there is a high chance scum is on the wagon. SS and joth both strike me as the scummiest. SS's I don't like but I still don't see a new scum player trying this whole new meta thing so I don't think it was him. Joth's was for putting him at L-1 without really thinking about it. I'm not even sure if he didn't mean to do it as even I know that joth hates day 1 stuff. So it strikes me as a possible scum move to get a quick lynch with the excuse that he didn't realize it was that close.

[jotheonah]

Hating day 1 is a town tell for me. In James Bond I played day 1 totally differently from normal, got really into it.

[faust]

Hating day 1 is a town tell for me. In James Bond I played day 1 totally differently from normal, got really into it.

You lost Jamed Bond, right?

[jotheonah]

Hating day 1 is a town tell for me. In James Bond I played day 1 totally differently from normal, got really into it.

You lost Jamed Bond, right?

oh yes horribly

[Witherweaver]

I believe that Jothe is town.

[Eevee]

I quickly just reread joth, and think he is town too.

[Witherweaver]

I quickly just reread joth, and think he is town too.

One day we'll have to disagree on something.

[Eevee]

I quickly just reread joth, and think he is town too.

One day we'll have to disagree on something.

That day is not today, my friend.

[faust]

So, I'm rereading, trying to make sense of all the crazy stuff that happened. A timeline:

#61: silverspawn claims VT
#74: Ichi wants to know why silverspawn doesn't want to talk about his claim
#78: Eevee votes Ichi in response
#86: Eevee asks why scum!silverspawn would want to draw attention like that
#87: ashersky says he might have a plan
#90: Jimmmmm votes silverspawn
#100: ashersky "doesn't like the claim"
#119: joth doesn't think silverspawn is scum
#132: WW presses silverspawn to talk about his claim
#145: ADK votes Ichi for hedging on silverspawn
#147: ADK proposes the SK!silverspawn theory, votes him
#149: WW says it "makes some sense"
#152: Ichi agrees with ADK
#158: WW explains my vote on silverspawn
#166: WW votes Ichi
#169: silverspawn presents a very odd view on ethics
#170: silverspawn votes Ichi
#175: WW says I could be Ichi's partner
#181: joth votes Ichi, L-1
#190: WW asks Ichi what he'll flip
#195: WW unvotes
#211: joth unvotes
#225: WW admits to having known Ichi was not hammered when pressing him to claim
#235: ADK votes Ichi

Well... I don't think joth was particularly scummy here (neither townie though). Ichi I still feel could be scum. But who really troubles me is WW. He does basically the same things that Ichi was found scummy for in the first place (rolefishing with silverspawn, sheeping/hedging the SK!silverspawn case), then pushes Ichi for being too much within his meta and actually presses him to claim when he knows he isn't lynched. What's more, he does all this without getting even a single vote. WW's behaviour is easily the most scummy I've seen in my reread.

Vote: Witherweaver

[Witherweaver]

It was public knowledge that Ichi wasn't hammered.. why would I try to get his role?  I knew from the beginning that he was still alive.

I think it's pretty clear I wanted to get him to talk while he was under the impression that he was hammered so that he might slip something to reveal his alignment.