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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2012, 11:47:12 am »
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Well, in common speech "platinum" is basically never used as a count noun. I suppose you might pluralize it if you were talking about different shades of the color platinum? Though I'd expect "shades of platinum" for that.

In Dominion I'd be strongly inclined to use "Platinums" to refer to multiple instances of the "Platinum" card, as a shorthand for the probably less controversial "instances of Platinum" or "copies of Platinum". You could ask "How much Platinum do you have in your deck?" but that doesn't sit well with me since we're really talking about a count rather than an amount of a mass noun. Certainly I would feel wrong responding with "I have 5 Platinum" - 5 is a count!
I'd say 'how many platinum do you have' because many goes with count while much does not. Other than that, I don't see the issue with 'How many platinum are in your deck?'
Comparison - 'How many moose are blocking the road?'

In this case, "moose" is the plural (See: How many cows are blocking the road?), in which case, you are implying that Platinum is the plural of Platinum. Now, I don't really care whether Platinum or Platinums is the plural form of the word, however I must say Platina is stupid.

I always call them Platinii.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2012, 11:49:05 am »
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Which, on the other hand, is also not really correct because you are only talking about a card that symbolizes a Platinum...
We're really disappearing down the rabbit hole of pointless minutiae at this point... but when I say "Platinum" in the context of Dominion it's a proper noun that refers to a member of a specific card class - which class comprises multiple copies of the Platinum card.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2012, 11:52:32 am »
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We're really disappearing down the rabbit hole of pointless minutiae at this point... but when I say "Platinum" in the context of Dominion it's a proper noun that refers to a member of a specific card class - which class comprises multiple copies of the Platinum card.

I was only proposing that you should answer nitpicking with nitpicking...
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2012, 12:15:06 pm »
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I was only proposing that you should answer nitpicking with nitpicking...
And I'm proposing that your counter-counter-nitpicking was just wrong :P
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2012, 06:19:28 pm »
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@WW - when I wrote "(a word that is also made up basically)" I was referring to the word 'platinums', which is the reason I thought it a little absurd to create a new version of it :)

But as I mentioned (notice apparently controversial use of 'but' :D), sometimes people do it knowingly and sort of half ironically (sounds like this might be the case here), it's just hard to tell over the intartubes.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2012, 07:45:33 pm »
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How this turned into an argument about proper speech is beyond me.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2012, 07:55:54 pm »
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In Dominion I'd be strongly inclined to use "Platinums" to refer to multiple instances of the "Platinum" card, as a shorthand for the probably less controversial "instances of Platinum" or "copies of Platinum".
Yes, if you don't want to say weird things you can just say "5 copies of Platinum;" otherwise since you are talking about the plural of a proper noun, it's "5 Platinums." If there were a Dominion card called Mouse, it would be "5 Mouses." There is a Dominion card called Nobles; it's "5 Nobleses." It's easy to see that it must also be "5 Jack of all Tradeses." And, oh yes, if you have 5 copies of Spy? "5 Spys."

That's just how you pluralize proper nouns. Or rather, it's how newspapers do. Feel free to say Platina or whatever; you may well manage to successfully communicate that way.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2012, 08:40:35 pm »
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Isn't it "how many Platinum cards do you have in your deck?"
Man, how this turned into an argument about proper speech is beyond me.
FTFY
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2012, 04:30:59 am »
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Erm, I just say "I've got three Silver and two Platinum." What's wrong with that?

(Platinii made me chuckle btw)
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2012, 01:30:42 pm »
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For example, when people make plural's like this.

I raged on that sentence alone.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2012, 11:33:44 pm »
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Feel free to say Platina or whatever; you may well manage to successfully communicate that way.


Successfully communicate - that is exactly the whole point of language. As long as the recipients interpret your communication correctly then you have done it right. Sure you need a bunch of rules around grammar etc for formal communication, but there is no point in raging at someone for using an apostrophe in the wrong place on an internet message board.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2012, 12:28:10 am »
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For example, when people make plural's like this.

I raged on that sentence alone.
Then how do you dot your is and cross your ts?
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2012, 09:05:02 am »
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Anyone here read Ridley Walker? Or perhaps Feersum Endjinn by Iain M Banks? (one quarter of the book is like the title)

It's intelligible and communicates, but by God it's an effort to read those. For me, language is not simply about making sure they get it - even a child can do that, it's a balance between the ease of understanding and the clarity and precision with which you articulate your point. Just because someone got a point you made and replied doesn't mean everyone did, especially those translating.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2016, 08:22:19 pm »
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I'm currently translating Dominion cards into my own made-up language <.<

I know this is an old thread, but what was the result of this project? I've dabbled in language creation myself, and this seems interesting to me. I might try to do this myself.


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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2016, 08:37:13 pm »
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Someone on here has his own project with Dominion notation, akin to Chess. The problem is, that will ultimately just fail when taken to the extreme. Dominion is far too complex. I've tried it myself, and the best solution is simply shortening certain common things into one or two letters, like copper becomes c and estate is e. Gold is g, Silver s, etc. It makes sense for the base cards in every game.

There are some other things I use for shorthand as well.

Remodel Herald > Gold. Generally, ">" means some transformative thing, like a remodel.

I'm down for trying another collaberative shorthand for Dominion with others.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2016, 08:54:15 pm »
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I think the forum has made me more thoughtful. I used to comment on RSP stuff but I think it's better to stalk threads, so that's what I do now. But speech patterns? I guess I accidentally reference stuff from the forum from time to time.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2016, 11:02:09 pm »
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I actually started using cantrip when referring to +1 card +1 action cards around my family, even though I am the only one on the forums. Like, if I were to describe, say, peddler to a beginning player who gets the rules, but hasn't seen the card (trust me, it happens more often than you think) I might call it a cantrip that gives a coin and has a weird cost thingy.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2016, 12:14:29 am »
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Comparison - 'How many moose are blocking the road?'



(Skip to 0:50; YouTube's link-to-time-stamp isn't playing nice with the embedding)
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2017, 09:46:02 pm »
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I actually started using cantrip when referring to +1 card +1 action cards around my family, even though I am the only one on the forums. Like, if I were to describe, say, peddler to a beginning player who gets the rules, but hasn't seen the card (trust me, it happens more often than you think) I might call it a cantrip that gives a coin and has a weird cost thingy.

I do that with all of the nerdy Dominion lingo.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2017, 12:32:37 pm »
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In Dominion I'd be strongly inclined to use "Platinums" to refer to multiple instances of the "Platinum" card, as a shorthand for the probably less controversial "instances of Platinum" or "copies of Platinum".
Yes, if you don't want to say weird things you can just say "5 copies of Platinum;" otherwise since you are talking about the plural of a proper noun, it's "5 Platinums." If there were a Dominion card called Mouse, it would be "5 Mouses." There is a Dominion card called Nobles; it's "5 Nobleses." It's easy to see that it must also be "5 Jack of all Tradeses." And, oh yes, if you have 5 copies of Spy? "5 Spys."

That's just how you pluralize proper nouns. Or rather, it's how newspapers do. Feel free to say Platina or whatever; you may well manage to successfully communicate that way.

Gollum would be good at Dominion.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2017, 11:12:31 am »
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Man, I was just about to comment on this.

I mean, I was going to make this joke.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2017, 11:13:58 am »
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Six years later, apparently.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2017, 04:20:37 pm »
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Holy crap it's been longer than 5 years since I posted this. Which means it's been longer than 5 years since I joined the forum.
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Re: Man, this forum is changing my speech patterns.
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2017, 04:21:11 pm »
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Man, it's been longer than 5 years since I posted this. Which means it's been longer than 5 years since I joined the forum.

Fixed that for you.
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