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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #750 on: September 15, 2014, 05:40:19 pm »

pacovf is still the scummiest by a mile.  I will not vote for anyone he is voting for, and I will try to do the opposite of any plan agreed to that he has a hand in designing.

Are you a daycop ?

No ?

Then try to remember all the games in which you've been similarly certain and ended up wrong.

PPE : Would you counterclaim in these exact circumstances though ? Why ?

Why are you role fishing?

I know you're joking but still, come on.

Anyway if it were you counterclaiming Brienne I wouldn't be ICing you because you're the boldest scum player there is, but it's not you, so I feel just fine calling WW a pseudo-IC.

PE : GO ahead and actually list ten. There's, like, two.

You mean the WW who has been scum 97% of his games?

I could list 50.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #751 on: September 15, 2014, 05:40:23 pm »

2.  I can name ten reasons off the top of my head that would be sufficient for rescinding the no houseless rule forever.  I'm sure you can.  So can scum.

Hum, please, name them?

Doc that can only target players in other houses

FYI, this is just the setup rules. If you look at my plan, I'm very aware of the fact that PRs in Houses are restricted.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #752 on: September 15, 2014, 05:41:15 pm »

2.  I can name ten reasons off the top of my head that would be sufficient for rescinding the no houseless rule forever.  I'm sure you can.  So can scum.

Hum, please, name them?

Doc that can only target players in other houses

FYI, this is just the setup rules. If you look at my plan, I'm very aware of the fact that PRs in Houses are restricted.

I know.  And yet you agree that neutering possible PRs is a good thing?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #753 on: September 15, 2014, 05:42:01 pm »

2.  I can name ten reasons off the top of my head that would be sufficient for rescinding the no houseless rule forever.  I'm sure you can.  So can scum.

Hum, please, name them?

Doc that can only target players in other houses
Doc that can only target players in a house they left
Doc that can only take action if houseless
Replace doc above with every other town role ever
Bp if houseless
Role empowered if houseless

Shall I continue for you, scum?  Or is that enough for you guys to discuss in your QT?

That's baseless speculation. It's like saying there are 10 reasons to no lynch :
- doc that can only activate if we no lynch
- cop that can only do something if we no lynch
- imaginary PR that can only do something to no lynch
- etc....

See this quote by Robz in your signature ? This is what you're doing right now.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #754 on: September 15, 2014, 05:42:05 pm »

Why is PPS town?

Reads-based.

In particular?  All I've seen PPS do is come out fairly bold and wild, which is also what I would expect a scum PPS that wants to emulate his town meta to do.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #755 on: September 15, 2014, 05:42:49 pm »

ash, I actually agree with your point that Houseless can be good for town. I simply think that for N1, we need everyone in the arrangement listed to get its benefits. After that, people should do as they see fit.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #756 on: September 15, 2014, 05:42:55 pm »

pacovf is still the scummiest by a mile.  I will not vote for anyone he is voting for, and I will try to do the opposite of any plan agreed to that he has a hand in designing.

Are you a daycop ?

No ?

Then try to remember all the games in which you've been similarly certain and ended up wrong.

PPE : Would you counterclaim in these exact circumstances though ? Why ?

Why are you role fishing?

I know you're joking but still, come on.

Anyway if it were you counterclaiming Brienne I wouldn't be ICing you because you're the boldest scum player there is, but it's not you, so I feel just fine calling WW a pseudo-IC.

PE : GO ahead and actually list ten. There's, like, two.

You mean the WW who has been scum 97% of his games?

I could list 50.

Hey I'm on a town run!
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #757 on: September 15, 2014, 05:44:03 pm »

2.  I can name ten reasons off the top of my head that would be sufficient for rescinding the no houseless rule forever.  I'm sure you can.  So can scum.

Hum, please, name them?

Doc that can only target players in other houses

FYI, this is just the setup rules. If you look at my plan, I'm very aware of the fact that PRs in Houses are restricted.

I know.  And yet you agree that neutering possible PRs is a good thing?

I think it's a reasonable price to pay for the benefits, especially since it is temporary.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #758 on: September 15, 2014, 05:44:18 pm »


You mean the WW who has been scum 97% of his games?


Right, and has he ever done something this bold ?
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #759 on: September 15, 2014, 05:45:07 pm »

The benefits to being houseless are not plural, there is exactly one, and it's only relevant if we control house PRs, which you don't if you just say everyone is houseless, so there are actually no benefits. Solved.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #760 on: September 15, 2014, 05:45:24 pm »

PPE 8

Shall I continue for you, scum?  Or is that enough for you guys to discuss in your QT?

Yes, that will do nicely, thank you very much for your help. We are going to be busy N1!

...Oops scumslip!

It is way misleading you listing those as 10-50 reasons. They are only reasons if they are universal. If you start listing every single permutation of a PR that could maybe one day give you a reason to go houseless, then you should start assigning probabilities to each one. But hey silly me, this is using logic and reason, I don't think I am going to convince you of anything this way.



Why is PPS town?

Reads-based.

Ugh. Details?

Same for silverspawn.



On the subject of going houseless, didn't we reach that conclusion only in the case we emptied Baratheon? I don't think it is relevant if the plan is to empty Lannister.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #761 on: September 15, 2014, 05:46:10 pm »

I'm not counting imaginary benefits that may exist in an alternative universe where this is a RMM game.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #762 on: September 15, 2014, 05:46:13 pm »

My plan still works if a few people go Houseless, we're just then introducing the problem of:

1. Do we still have enough people in the Houses to ensure town control

and

2. Anyone asking to go Houseless is pretty much outing themselves as a PR for scum, so we need some VTs to cover, and the odds someone accidentally slips in organizing this is huge
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« Reply #763 on: September 15, 2014, 05:48:25 pm »

Makes sense.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #764 on: September 15, 2014, 05:50:06 pm »

I'm not counting imaginary benefits that may exist in an alternative universe where this is a RMM game.

As usual, ash has a point that (in my opinion) he is blowing out of proportion, but a point nonetheless:

There will be at least one role that relates directly to the setup.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #765 on: September 15, 2014, 05:50:27 pm »

Has anyone ever called Ash out on the "you can lynch me first but when I flip town absolutely lynch X" play?  By lynching him I mean.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #766 on: September 15, 2014, 05:51:31 pm »

I like where this is going.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #767 on: September 15, 2014, 05:52:42 pm »

nice, then we can play 6/3 at the start of day 3. good plan.

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #768 on: September 15, 2014, 05:52:54 pm »

I like where this is going.

I do not. I think this is town ash.

The only person who may be able to convince me otherwise is Robz, because he's really good at reading ash based off his play, but we don't have Robz here. Except I think Robz also thinks this is twon ash.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #769 on: September 15, 2014, 05:53:35 pm »

nice, then we can play 6/3 at the start of day 3. good plan.

? We can't abandon the Houses, scum will just stay in them and claim to be Houseless and there will be no way to know.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #770 on: September 15, 2014, 05:54:40 pm »

Has anyone ever called Ash out on the "you can lynch me first but when I flip town absolutely lynch X" play?  By lynching him I mean.

No, because the right answer to crazy is not crazy.

@Voltaire : NO he doesn't. The faction related PR could be "works only if houseless" or something, but it could also be "works only if house baratheon is empowered" or something. We simply do not know, and the one person who knows will have to decide on their own if it's worth it to claim to change our mind. ANything in between is anti-town.

PPE : 4
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #771 on: September 15, 2014, 05:55:11 pm »

I like where this is going.

I do not. I think this is town ash.

The only person who may be able to convince me otherwise is Robz, because he's really good at reading ash based off his play, but we don't have Robz here. Except I think Robz also thinks this is twon ash.

We could always do it the other way around, lynch paco. If he flips town, we lynch ash D2.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #772 on: September 15, 2014, 05:55:35 pm »

nice, then we can play 6/3 at the start of day 3. good plan.

? We can't abandon the Houses, scum will just stay in them and claim to be Houseless and there will be no way to know.

what i meant was, if there are 3 scum and we lynch ash - pac, we lynch 2 towns plus 2 NK's in N1 and N2, so there will be 6 town and 3 scum left at the start of day 3. which, of course, is awful.

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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #773 on: September 15, 2014, 05:55:50 pm »

Everyone has many many town reads and no one has scum reads, except for Ash.  And a couple people with mild reads on Hydrad.
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Re: M50: A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #774 on: September 15, 2014, 05:56:43 pm »

Everyone has many many town reads and no one has scum reads, except for Ash.  And a couple people with mild reads on Hydrad.

Not entirely true. I think pps and xp are scummy.
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