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[Witherweaver]

Lannisters need one person from each other House for empowerment?  Or only from two other houses?

[silverspawn]

b) Don't do that. Don't. Please. If everyone does that, it's making it easy for scum because they don't have to worry about appearing townie, they can just do whatever and not be held accountable.

I said that. But I don't understand this point.

[silverspawn]

Lannisters need one person from each other House for empowerment?  Or only from two other houses?

from each other house

[pacovf]

I'm trying to minimize the damage in case you made the wrong decision when choosing not to reveal your power. The odds of scum being in Targ are much lower if someone else than you leaves the House.

[silverspawn]

I find it slightly annoying that we don't have a summarization of sorts about who is in which house and what the powers are. i think i'll try to make one

[pacovf]

We actually do:

Lannister:
Pay their debts: chosen member targets a player, last action of target to chosen player gets done on said target player.
Empower condition: must contain a member of each other house. I someone has been in more than one house, he counts for each of them

Pingpongsam
Silverspawn (Oberyn Martell)
Voltaire (Queen of Thorns)
Azadin

Stark:
Bodyguard
Empower condition: House Lannister has perished

Ash
Pacovf (Brynden Tully)
Teproc (Brienne of Tarth)

Baratheon:
Arsonist
Empower condition: Stannis Baratheon is king

Hydrad
EgorK

Targaryen:

Empower condition:

Witherweaver (Barristan Selmy)
Robz888 (Jorah Mormont)
XerxesPraelor

Houseless:
Ichimaru Gin (Jon Snow)

[silverspawn]

Stark:

• Members
  
  • pacovf (Brynden Tully)
  • Teproc (Brienne of Tarth)
  • Ashersky
• Power:
  Bodyguard
• Empowerment Condition:
  House Lanister must have perished
• Empowered Ability:

Lannister:

• Members:
  
  • pingpongsam
  • Voltaire (Queen of Thorns)
  • Azadin
  • silverspawn (Oberyn Martell)
• Power:
  Copy the latest night Action of a targeted Player, with him as the new target
• Empowerment Condition:
  For each house, one Player who used to be in this house must now be in house Lannister

Targaryen:

• Members:
  
  • Robz888 (Jorah Mormont)
  • Witherweaver (Barristan Selmy)
  • XerxesPraelor
• Power:
  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
• Empowerment Condition:
  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Targaryen:

• Members:
  
  • Baratheon
  • Hydrad
  • EgorK
• Power:
  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
• Empowerment Condition:
  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

House-free: Ichimaru Gin

[silverspawn]

oh well. now we have two.

[silverspawn]

But I missed something. what is arsonist?

[Hydrad]

But I missed something. what is arsonist?

It's our power.

Every night we can prime someone or we can choose to light on fire all the players we have primed. There's a role used in mafia that does exactly this which is called an arsonist

[Witherweaver]

But I missed something. what is arsonist?

It's our power.

Every night we can prime someone or we can choose to light on fire all the players we have primed. There's a role used in mafia that does exactly this which is called an arsonist

You sure there's no special condition on lighting Jon Snow on fire that you're keeping from us?  Ichi, hide! 

[Robz888]

Okay, so I am supposed to move from Targaryen to Lannister? Is that right, WW?

[Witherweaver]

Okay, so I am supposed to move from Targaryen to Lannister? Is that right, WW?

I kind of think I should instead, because I'm a likely target for night actions.  Scum will want to kill me, town will want to protect me.  Either way, we have a useful retribution action on Night 2.

But, Pacman thinks that could compromise the accountability of House Targaryen, which I don't quite agree with. 

Presumably if we decide to change during the day, it will take place at the beginning of Night 1, so all night actions will resolve with the house changes having taken effect.

[Teproc]

It's hard to argue about that without knowing the Targ power, so you guys should figure it out in your QT probably (assuming you still don't want to claim).

[pacovf]

• Power:
  Copy the latest night Action of a targeted Player, with him as the new target

That would actually be a very strong power, but you are missing a condition. You copy the latest night Action that targeted player has done on you. There's a world of difference in power.

But, Pacman thinks that could compromise the accountability of House Targaryen, which I don't quite agree with.

It's hard to argue about that without knowing the Targ power, so you guys should figure it out in your QT probably (assuming you still don't want to claim).

What Teproc said. You should figure it out in your QT, I am just telling you something to keep in mind. At this point, I can only trust you know what you are doing.

Also haha, pacman.

[Voltaire]

IN the meantime, do non-ash people have an opinion about empowering Lannister ? BEcause I can't say I'm convinced by the "Lannister is a front for scum" argument, neither am I particularly interested in everyone going houseless and giving up town PRs.

I guess I'm mildly happy to see us empower Lannister, since I'm a Lannister, and since I thought that my House was probably too difficult to control for town to bother. So mildly support, but can easily be convinced to do other things.

[Teproc]

Voltaire, what are your thoughts on pacovf ?

Actually it seems you've already said you think is town. But I'm getting serious flashbacks of Game of Thrones mafia, amusingly enough. Which should tell me he's town, but the situation is a little reversed, so... do you see what I mean ?

[azadin]

• Power:
  Copy the latest night Action of a targeted Player, with him as the new target

That would actually be a very strong power, but you are missing a condition. You copy the latest night Action that targeted player has done on you. There's a world of difference in power.

This could be Lannister's empowered power, actually. Though that would be pretty strong, I think.

[azadin]

My earlier suspicion of Hydrad has only gotten stronger the longer I've thought about it, and pacovf outlined some of the specific posts that were sticking out in my mind (especially that self aware joke...but I'm not going to get into a recursive meta discussion right now).

Vote: Hydrad

My proposal, if we do in fact lynch Hydrad are as follows:

• Ichi to Baratheon
• a Baratheon to Lannister
• a Stark to Lannister
• a Targaryen (Witherweaver?) to Lannister
• a Lannister to Stark
• 2 Lannisters to Baratheon

We still need to figure out specific people for (2), (3), (5), and (6).

This would leave us with the following:

Lannister

• 4 members
• empowered
• Joffrey on Iron Throne (strongman Hand of the King)

Stark

• 3 members
• not empowered

Targaryen

• 2 members
• not empowered

Baratheon

• 3 members
• not empowered

[Hydrad]

My earlier suspicion of Hydrad has only gotten stronger the longer I've thought about it, and pacovf outlined some of the specific posts that were sticking out in my mind (especially that self aware joke...but I'm not going to get into a recursive meta discussion right now).

Vote: Hydrad

My proposal, if we do in fact lynch Hydrad are as follows:

• Ichi to Baratheon
• a Baratheon to Lannister
• a Stark to Lannister
• a Targaryen (Witherweaver?) to Lannister
• a Lannister to Stark
• 2 Lannisters to Baratheon

We still need to figure out specific people for (2), (3), (5), and (6).

This would leave us with the following:

Lannister

• 4 members
• empowered
• Joffrey on Iron Throne (strongman Hand of the King)

Stark

• 3 members
• not empowered

Targaryen

• 2 members
• not empowered

Baratheon

• 3 members
• not empowered

What that's wrong. My way had 5 in baratheon so that we would also be empowered. 1 stark would join us and one other person as you only have 12 there

[Voltaire]

Voltaire, what are your thoughts on pacovf ?

Actually it seems you've already said you think is town. But I'm getting serious flashbacks of Game of Thrones mafia, amusingly enough. Which should tell me he's town, but the situation is a little reversed, so... do you see what I mean ?

I actually don't get the comparison you're making, but I think you're town, so I want to figure this out! Explain.

[XerxesPraelor]

Wait, do we know if the empowerment is permanent? If the empowerment condition stops being true, is the power still empowered?

Also, vote: hydrad

[azadin]

What that's wrong. My way had 5 in baratheon so that we would also be empowered. 1 stark would join us and one other person as you only have 12 there

Not if we lynch you. That makes 12. I could be talked into rearranging some moves if we want to empower 2 houses tonight, but I'm not sure it's worth the risk.

This actually made me think of another of question: if Baratheon does become empowered (they have to have made the king by having a majority of members, no?), do they become de-empowered if they lose the throne?

PPE: 1, looks like XP thought of the same thing.

[Hydrad]

Well this wouldn't be a normal game of mafia if I wasn't suspected day 1 I guess

[Teproc]

Voltaire, what are your thoughts on pacovf ?

Actually it seems you've already said you think is town. But I'm getting serious flashbacks of Game of Thrones mafia, amusingly enough. Which should tell me he's town, but the situation is a little reversed, so... do you see what I mean ?

I actually don't get the comparison you're making, but I think you're town, so I want to figure this out! Explain.

In GoT, I replaced at the start of day 2 and it was my first game. We kept saying the same things and you got a strong town read on me from that and proceeded to buddy me into oblivion. I was wary at first, but then concluded you wouldn't buddy me THAT much if you were scum, which was correct. Then day 3 happened but that's beside the point.

My point is : pacovf is buddying me somewhat agressively here (he even said "Teproc speaks the sense" at some point, which is what reminded of GoT), but I can't really make the same reasoning because he's a newbie, so he might now know buddying is generally considered to be scummy. This is basically the situation you were in in GoT except the roles are reversed, and I'm not sure what  make of it.

Do you see what I mean now ?

PPE : 3