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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1912)
« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2014, 04:20:52 am »

Spring 1912 Order Results:

Austria

A Tri S A Vie
A Vie S A Tri

France

F NTH==>BEL
A PIC==>PAR
A GAS==>PAR
A PIE==>MAR
A TUS==>PIE
F WES==>MAO
F LYO==>SPA(SC)
F TYS==>LYO
F TUN==>WES

Germany

F kie - den
F den - nth
F nwy S F den - nth
A war - ukr
A mos S A war - ukr
A lvn - war
A sil - gal
A mun - tyr
A bel - pic
A bur S A bel - pic
A ruh - bel

Turkey

A (ser) moves to (tri)
F (adr) supports A (ser) to (tri)
F (ven) supports A (ser) to (tri)
A (bud) moves to (vie)
A (rum) moves to (gal)
A (ukr) supports A (rum) to (gal)
A (sev) supports A (ukr)
F (gre) moves to (alb)
F (ion) supports F (nap)
F (nap) supports A (rom)
F (apu) supports F (ven)
A (rom) supports F (nap)

Austrian A Tri destroyed
France must retreat or disband A Pic and F NTH




Current Gamestate:



Please let me know if I have made any errors.

France, please get your retreat orders in ASAP.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1912)
« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2014, 07:36:57 am »

HOL
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Fall 1912)
« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2014, 12:35:24 pm »

France

HOL

Current Gamestate:



Fall 1912 begins! The next deadline will be Saturday 12/6, 1 am forum time.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Winter 1912)
« Reply #128 on: December 06, 2014, 12:42:33 am »

Fall 1912 Order Results:

Austria

A Vie Holds

France

A PIE S A TRI==>TYR
F LYO==>MAR
A MAR==>GAS
A GAS==>PAR
A BRE S A GAS==>PAR
F MAO==>ENG
F SPA ==>MAO
F WES HOLD
F HOL==>KIE

Germany

A sil - gal
A war S A sil - gal
A mos S A war
A lvn S A mos
A tyr S A vie
F nth - lon
F nwy - nwg
F den - nth
A bur - gas
A pic - bre
A ruh - bur

Turkey

A (sev) supports A (ukr)
A (ukr) supports A (rum) to (gal)
A (rum) moves to (gal)
A (bud) moves to (vie)
A (tri) supports A (bud) to (vie)
F (alb) supports A (tri)
F (ion) moves to (aeg)
F (adr) moves (ion)
F (ven) moves to (adr)
A (rom) moves to (ven)
F (nap) holds
F (apu) supports A (rom) to (ven)

No retreats



Current Gamestate:



Winter Adjustments:

Austria:            1 center (0 builds)
England           
France:             9 centers (0 builds)
Germany:         11 centers (0 builds)
Italy
Russia
Turkey:            13 centers (1 build)

Please let me know if I have made any errors.

Turkey, please get your winter orders in ASAP.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1913)
« Reply #129 on: December 06, 2014, 03:45:42 am »

Winter 1912 Order Results:

Turkey

Build A (con)

Current Gamestate:



Spring 1913 begins! The next deadline will be Wednesday 12/10, 1 am forum time.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Fall 1913)
« Reply #130 on: December 10, 2014, 01:46:38 am »

Spring 1913 Order Results:

Austria

A Vie Holds

France

F KIEL HOLDS
F ENG==>PIC
A PAR S F ENG==>PIC
A BRE S A PAR
A MAR==>GAS
A PIE==>TYR
F LYO==>MAR
F MAO==>IRI
F WES==>MAO

Germany

A war S A sil - gal
A tyr - tri
A sil - gal
A ruh - kie
A pic - bel
F nwg - nao
F nth S F lon - eng
A mos - ukr
F lon - eng
A lvn - mos
A bur - bel

Turkey

A (con) moves to (bul)
A (rum) moves to (gal)
A (ukr) supports A (rum) to (gal)
A (sev) supports A (ukr)
A (bud) supports A (tri) to (vie)
A (tri) moves to (vie)
A (ven) moves to (tyr)
F (adr) holds
F (nap) moves to (rom)
F (apu) moves to (nap)
F (ion) holds
F (aeg) holds
F (alb) moves to (tri)

German A Pic destroyed
Austria, I have retreated A Vie to Boh, the only available destination -- please let me know ASAP if you would prefer to disband your unit instead.




Current Gamestate:



Please let me know if I have made any errors.

Fall 1913 begins! The next deadline will be Sunday 12/14, 1 am forum time.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Winter 1913)
« Reply #131 on: December 14, 2014, 02:50:17 am »

Fall 1913 Order Results:

Austria

A Boh-Vie

France

F KIE==>DEN
F IRI S F MAO
F MAO S F PIC==>ENG
F PIC==>ENG
A PAR==>BUR
A GAS S A PAR==>BUR
A BRE S A PAR
A PIE==>TYR
F MAR HOLDS

Germany

A Bur - Bel
A Tyr - Mun
A Ruh - Kie
F Eng - Lon
F Nth - Edi
F Nao hold
A Gal - Ukr
A War S A Gal - Ukr
A Mos S A Gal - Ukr
A Lvn S A Mos

Turkey

A (vie) supports A (bud)
A (bud) supports A (vie)
A (rum) moves to (gal)
A (ukr) supports A (rum) to (gal)
A (sev) supports A (ukr)
A (bul)  moves to (ser)
A (ven) supports France A (pie) to (tyr)
F (adr) supports F (alb) to (tri)
F (alb) moves to (tri)
F (aeg) moves to (ion)
F (ion) moves to (tys)
F (nap) moves to (rom)
F (rom) moves to (tus)

Turkey, I have retreated A Ukr to Rum, the only available destination -- please let me know ASAP if you would prefer to disband your unit instead.



Current Gamestate:



Winter Adjustments:

Austria
England           
France:             8 centers (1 disband)
Germany:         12 centers (1 build open)
Italy
Russia
Turkey:            14 centers (1 build)

Please let me know if I have made any errors.

Please get your winter orders in ASAP.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Winter 1913)
« Reply #132 on: December 14, 2014, 07:09:02 am »

Thanks for playing, everyone!
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #133 on: December 14, 2014, 04:03:40 pm »

Winter 1913 Order Results:

France

Disband A Tyr

Germany

A Ber

Turkey

Build A (con)

Current Gamestate:



Spring 1914 begins! The next deadline will be Thursday 12/18, 1 am forum time.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #134 on: December 14, 2014, 10:27:29 pm »

Just a note, I'll be leaving for Florida next sunday. I'll have internet connection most likely once I'm there, but we're driving from Montreal, so Sunday/Monday I may not have access to internet.

That being said, I'm willing to accept a three way tie with the current game state.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #135 on: December 15, 2014, 12:48:13 am »

That being said, I'm willing to accept a three way tie with the current game state.
I don't think, I can force a solo either, so I accept a three way tie.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #136 on: December 15, 2014, 07:02:09 pm »

I also agree to a 3-way draw.

Good game everybody!
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #137 on: December 15, 2014, 07:04:38 pm »

Meeeeeeeeeeeh now Walrus wins his bet. On the other hand, liopoil loses his.

Christmas spirit, ruining games since forever.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #138 on: December 15, 2014, 07:50:12 pm »

BOOOO! Kingzog, you had it! :(
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #139 on: December 15, 2014, 08:36:40 pm »

The 3-way tie has been accepted. Peace at last!

Congratulations to France, Germany, and Turkey! Well done.

Thanks for the game everyone. I had a great time moderating and I hope you enjoyed playing. Here's a link to the speccy thread if you're interested:

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/973G3bxzgRQYM
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #140 on: December 15, 2014, 08:44:31 pm »

Thanks Walrus, I had fun playing.

I'll post a bit more on my thoughts throughout the game later. If you want to reveal the private threads, I would be fine with that.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #141 on: December 15, 2014, 08:45:26 pm »

There are links to the private threads in the speccy thread.

Threadcursion!
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #142 on: December 15, 2014, 08:47:49 pm »

BOOOO! Kingzog, you had it! :(
Nah, we had the stalemate line all ready to go this turn.

Thanks again to everyone for playing, and to WalrusMcFishSr for moderating.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #143 on: December 15, 2014, 08:58:38 pm »

BOOOO! Kingzog, you had it! :(

Maybe, but I think attacking France lets Germany gain ground. I'd need to set up to get most of my centers at once, but Germany and France would see that coming a mile away.

Did the spectators have access to the other threads? I'd like to see the other countries threads.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (Spring 1914)
« Reply #144 on: December 15, 2014, 09:14:03 pm »

BOOOO! Kingzog, you had it! :(

Maybe, but I think attacking France lets Germany gain ground. I'd need to set up to get most of my centers at once, but Germany and France would see that coming a mile away.

Did the spectators have access to the other threads? I'd like to see the other countries threads.
They're linked from the first post in the spectator thread. And now I'm going to do an archive binge.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #145 on: December 15, 2014, 09:54:08 pm »

Boo hiss!

But really, good game guys.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #146 on: December 15, 2014, 10:03:35 pm »

For some closure, here's a Civilization-style retrospective on the game:



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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #147 on: December 15, 2014, 10:25:41 pm »

Thoughts from my first full, 7-player game:

-Breaking through the Franco-German border is hard.

-It is apparently impossible to backstab an ally without making at least one critical error (I think my mini-stab of 1-center Italy was the only one that didn't involve something going horribly wrong, though at least the Austrian retreat to Naples didn't affect anything long term).

-We actually managed a great pace; thanks again to everyone involved.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #148 on: December 15, 2014, 10:56:19 pm »

I really enjoyed this, despite the last couple turns neing during end of term. Still thanks for everyone who played. I'd totally like to play again, but I don't think I would have time to mod a game. During term I can sit to do orders and negotiate, but not to make sure things run smoothly.
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Re: Diplomacy 4: This time, it's personal (France, Germany, and Turkey win!)
« Reply #149 on: December 16, 2014, 12:03:27 am »

Thoughts on the game
In the opening, I had hoped that England and France would fight each other more, in particular after the Eng opening, but England continued to press North even after France had moved several units towards him.

This lead to France being a monster after the opening and probably also to his stab. I don't know if a more conservative move eastwards would have prevented the stab, but I have the feeling France wanted to press his luck. Crucial to the eventual defense were two things: a) that I order A Ruh hold, which gave time to retreat my units and b) the successful negotiation to get StP to build the fleet to press against France. I always feared France would move more creatively (F Nth - Ska), but ultimately I could repel and even turn the tide against France.

Then came the next turning point, where I tried to ask Austria, whether he would allow me a full blown attack against France, but after he didn't reply for a few days, I guessed correctly that he would stab me. Due to the DMZ between us and the build in Berlin that he overlooked(?), I could defend here as well. What helped was that I always kept contact with France, so that a peace was treaty was easy. I still don't see the point in the attack. If Austria wants to win, it needs to attack Turkey in this situation and for a 3-way tie, you can use Germany as easy as France.

The next stab was the logical one from Turkey against Austria. I managed to grab some centers in Russia, which put me in the position were I could potentially reach a solo. It was still a long shot and I had to move forward aggressively, so that I would gain centers fast enough to fill the back of my line before Turkey would tear down Austria completely. Unfortunately, in the turn after the stab I screwed up. The annoying thing is that I would have submitted the same moves then France did in his position, but decided against the proper answer. After that I tried beating his line a bit, but without success so that I had to settle for the tie.

Random comments:
-My plan had France not stabbed me after the opening was to attack Austria and leave Turkey in peace, France would have eventually stabbed Italy and then I would need a partner to prevent a French solo
-I'm puzzled the A/T alliance worked that well, because the position on the board would have allowed for an easy 2-3 center grab immediately with the stab.
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