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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #75 on: August 20, 2014, 03:00:20 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.
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« Reply #76 on: August 20, 2014, 03:02:17 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.
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« Reply #77 on: August 20, 2014, 03:03:19 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but it sounds like these "dudes" are into some really strange things.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #78 on: August 20, 2014, 03:03:42 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.

Man, they all just coached the team to the championships.  That's how it's done.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #79 on: August 20, 2014, 03:05:03 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.

Which, ostensibly, is why the puzzle comes in the form of a static image.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #80 on: August 20, 2014, 03:06:46 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.

Which, ostensibly, is why the puzzle comes in the form of a static image.

Prove that they're circles.

(Edit: I mean, clearly they aren't.)
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #81 on: August 20, 2014, 03:07:51 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.

Which, ostensibly, is why the puzzle comes in the form of a static image.

Prove that they're circles.

(Edit: I mean, clearly they aren't.)


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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #82 on: August 20, 2014, 03:11:02 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.

Which, ostensibly, is why the puzzle comes in the form of a static image.

Prove that they're circles.

(Edit: I mean, clearly they aren't.)


Like I said, Kids call them circles
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #83 on: August 20, 2014, 03:14:47 pm »
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Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions.
Depends on the preschooler. I remember adding and subtracting fractions at the age of four.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #84 on: August 20, 2014, 03:16:34 pm »
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Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions.
Depends on the preschooler. I remember adding and subtracting fractions at the age of four.

Well, sure, but by that standard you can never make any generalized statement on anything. A preschooler is not expected to be able to add and substract.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #85 on: August 20, 2014, 03:18:34 pm »
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Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions.
Depends on the preschooler. I remember adding and subtracting fractions at the age of four.

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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #86 on: August 20, 2014, 03:39:26 pm »
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Parsing the hint is half the work and the point is made if you struggle to simplify the problem sufficiently by interpolating your personal experiences as a pre-schooler. The problem is primarily one of inference as to the nature of the solution. The explicit obstacle lies in being overly literal. Thus, it is intended to be exceptionally hard for the mathematically minded. this is proven by the fact that once the solution is aired there remains debate as to whether the problem was correctly framed or not. In short, you still haven't solved the puzzle even though you have the answer and the function of solution.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #87 on: August 20, 2014, 03:43:21 pm »
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Actually g(4) is ambiguous.  Maybe it should be 1 instead of 0.  Though in my handwriting it would be 0.
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2014, 03:45:55 pm »
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Actually g(4) is ambiguous.  Maybe it should be 1 instead of 0.  Though in my handwriting it would be 0.
conveniently, the puzzle has no 4s in it. Except for in the answers...
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« Reply #89 on: August 20, 2014, 03:48:05 pm »
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Actually g(4) is ambiguous.  Maybe it should be 1 instead of 0.  Though in my handwriting it would be 0.
conveniently, the puzzle has no 4s in it. Except for in the answers...

Yeah, I went back and checked.  Plus, it causes problems with the loop/circle thing. 

But I mean, it would be weird if you couldn't plug any number into the question slot.
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« Reply #90 on: August 20, 2014, 04:05:07 pm »
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #91 on: August 20, 2014, 04:06:29 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.

Oh wow do not get me started.  I could rant so much about that from so many different directions...
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« Reply #92 on: August 20, 2014, 04:11:05 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.

Oh wow do not get me started.  I could rant so much about that from so many different directions...

I've tangentially heard about this... celebrities are pouring ice water on themselves for some reason ? What ?
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« Reply #93 on: August 20, 2014, 04:14:16 pm »
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I thought I could escape the ice bucket challenge by going outside and playing basketball. I was wrong. Soon after I got there some dudes came and poured ice water on themselves. God make it stop.

Oh wow do not get me started.  I could rant so much about that from so many different directions...

I've tangentially heard about this... celebrities are pouring ice water on themselves for some reason ? What ?

I don't know how it started exactly, but the cause is awareness and donations to research for ALS (aka amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, aka Lou Gehrig's disease, and what Stephen Hawking suffers from).  The idea is, you donate less if you dump the ice on yourself, then you challenge other people to dump ice or have to donate more.

It's moronic... and yet it has indeed raised millions for ALS research.  Which is great news for ALS sufferers (if they live long enough to see treatment, which they likely won't), but not so great news for... other charities.
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Re: Random Stuff Part II
« Reply #94 on: August 20, 2014, 04:19:36 pm »
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I really don't understand that "hint".  What are preschooler's not able to do that nonpreschooler's can?  Lots of stuff, I guess.  That doesn't really tell me much.

It means the problem is not of a mathematical nature, that is, there is no function to be discovered. Pre-schoolers can count, they cannot add, subtract or any other higher mathematical functions. Thus the implication is that you are counting something. Half of the puzzle is parsing the hint.

Count the number of loops?

Kids call them circles

Then the puzzle would depend on the font!  And be impossible to practically answer.

Which, ostensibly, is why the puzzle comes in the form of a static image.

Prove that they're circles.

(Edit: I mean, clearly they aren't.)


Like I said, Kids call them circles

And this is why I never let kids perform open-heart surgery on me. They're too dumb for this puzzle.
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« Reply #95 on: August 20, 2014, 04:23:21 pm »
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By the way : isn't the answer to the whole circle/loop conundrum to call them holes ? That's how I'd say it anyway.
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« Reply #96 on: August 20, 2014, 04:23:36 pm »
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It's moronic... and yet it has indeed raised millions for ALS research.  Which is great news for ALS sufferers (if they live long enough to see treatment, which they likely won't), but not so great news for... other charities.

I view the ice-water gimmick as a good thing because it raises awareness. Well, really, it reminds people, because I think everyone knows of ALS, but sometimes it helps to remind people that it's still out there and could use more research. So these stupid stunts bring the disease to the foreground and raise money. Good on that!

Having said that, the stunt is really dumb because you're challenging someone to donate $100 (or whatever) or else pour ice water over your head. So when someone videos himself pouring water over his head, he is making a tacit admission that he would rather dump water on himself than donate $100 to ALS research. This is probably not true. I bet most of the people in the videos did donate something, though maybe not $100. But the statement is still there, so it's pretty dumb. The challenge really should be something like donating $100 and then proving it by videoing yourself with ice water on your head. Not that it proves much but again, awareness.
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« Reply #97 on: August 20, 2014, 04:38:33 pm »
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It's moronic... and yet it has indeed raised millions for ALS research.  Which is great news for ALS sufferers (if they live long enough to see treatment, which they likely won't), but not so great news for... other charities.

I view the ice-water gimmick as a good thing because it raises awareness. Well, really, it reminds people, because I think everyone knows of ALS, but sometimes it helps to remind people that it's still out there and could use more research. So these stupid stunts bring the disease to the foreground and raise money. Good on that!

Having said that, the stunt is really dumb because you're challenging someone to donate $100 (or whatever) or else pour ice water over your head. So when someone videos himself pouring water over his head, he is making a tacit admission that he would rather dump water on himself than donate $100 to ALS research. This is probably not true. I bet most of the people in the videos did donate something, though maybe not $100. But the statement is still there, so it's pretty dumb. The challenge really should be something like donating $100 and then proving it by videoing yourself with ice water on your head. Not that it proves much but again, awareness.

A friend whose research is in water treatment and desalinization posted something to FB earlier today, pointing out that one of the major causes of death in the world is lack of access to fresh water.  And here we are dumping someone's daily supply of water over our heads as part of a bet to escape giving as much to charity.

As someone with little to donate to charity in any given year, I can think of a lot better causes than ALS research.  Consider that about 30000 people in the US suffer from ALS.  That's about the same as the number of people just in my home city (about 10% of the population) who rely on food banks for part of their sustenance.  A $10 donation to my local food bank is going to impact more lives today than a $100 donation to ALS research... for which a useful treatment is years or decades away.

I don't know, maybe I'm more "aware" than other people, but I wasn't ignorant of ALS prior to this.  I don't see awareness of a specific disease as a great goal.
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« Reply #98 on: August 20, 2014, 04:40:19 pm »
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« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2014, 05:04:24 pm »
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I never even knew what the whole ice-water thing was, it was just one of those chain things.
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