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Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
« Reply #400 on: June 18, 2015, 09:47:25 am »
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I haven't seen the original movie The Departed was based on ("Infernal Affairs" or something?), but I think it's supposed to be good as well.

I watched the three movies. The departed is based mostly on the first one, IIRC. They are good, but very different (as you would expect from something done in Hong Kong, rather than Hollywood). More... understated?
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« Reply #401 on: June 18, 2015, 09:57:05 am »
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Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
alright, but not all the sex involved him. That swiss banker got it on with that big guys wife, jonah hill started jerking off at a party..... I mean, that second one was clearly an attempt at comedy, and idk, I didn't find it at all funny. And I wasn't really taking issue with leo acting like a jerk, if his character wouldn't explain something, then he shouldn't. That's no excuse to not tell me what's going on, work in some other way of explaining to the viewers the scams being run. But I suspect that leo 's character acted like that not because it was in character, but because they didn't want it in the movie, for whatever reason, which is frustrating because it was important to me

I think it's all a little bit appropriate, actually.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/12/31/wolf_of_wall_street_true_story_jordan_belfort_and_other_real_people_in_dicaprio.html

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/the-wolf-of-wall-street.php

Edit: Well, I guess my point is that the focus of the story wasn't on the actual scam itself, it was on the people and their behavior.  It's not particular relevant whether the people were real or not, but they did happen to be (mostly).
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« Reply #402 on: June 18, 2015, 10:14:44 am »
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Well with 'wolf' I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason. Also, there were at least two times in the middle where leo started explanating the scam they were running and then before he got anywhere, he interrupted himself with something like "eh nevermind, you won't understand it anyway, but basically it's illegal." I found that very insulting to my intelligence, and moreover a huge letdown because that's the main aspect that intrigued me and made me want to watch it. Overall it was just very disappointing.

Hm, it was based on that guy's book about his own life, and if you look into him (I Googled a bit of his story), I don't think it's actually that far out there.  And the way Leo acts.. well, just Google the guy.  He just looks like that much of an ass.
alright, but not all the sex involved him. That swiss banker got it on with that big guys wife, jonah hill started jerking off at a party..... I mean, that second one was clearly an attempt at comedy, and idk, I didn't find it at all funny. And I wasn't really taking issue with leo acting like a jerk, if his character wouldn't explain something, then he shouldn't. That's no excuse to not tell me what's going on, work in some other way of explaining to the viewers the scams being run. But I suspect that leo 's character acted like that not because it was in character, but because they didn't want it in the movie, for whatever reason, which is frustrating because it was important to me

I think it's all a little bit appropriate, actually.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/12/31/wolf_of_wall_street_true_story_jordan_belfort_and_other_real_people_in_dicaprio.html

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/the-wolf-of-wall-street.php

Edit: Well, I guess my point is that the focus of the story wasn't on the actual scam itself, it was on the people and their behavior.  It's not particular relevant whether the people were real or not, but they did happen to be (mostly).
I get this. And in fact most scorsese movies value characters and not plot. But these characters didnt seem as interesting as the ones in goodfellas or gangs of new york. And in casino, they at least make sure you understand whats going on. In the links it explained the basics of 'pump and dump', which I understood. But there seemed to be more going on and I felt in the dark. Even if the exact story isnt the focus, it's still something I feel I deserve after investing upwards of 2&1/2  hrs.
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« Reply #403 on: June 18, 2015, 10:21:48 am »
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Well, I agree that these characters were not that interesting, but I think that's more because of the characters themselves and not the actual movie production.  I mean, I can't invest much interest in a drug-addicted, sex-addicted, douchebag.  But a cleaver-wielding, bushy-mustached, tophat wearing savage lobbing knives around? Now that's a guy I want to watch.
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« Reply #404 on: June 18, 2015, 10:26:21 am »
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Yeah DDL really was fantastic in that movie. And I loved gangs of new york overall, but I think scorsese could have cut most if not all of cameron diaz. That part felt thrown in and unnecessary in an already long movie. But every scene with Bill the butcher, yeah they were all great
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« Reply #405 on: June 18, 2015, 11:09:32 am »
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So, for those not following the box office. Jurassic World passed The Avengers for opening week. Plus did a first ever $500M worldwide opening weekend.

And it was enjoyable too.

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Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.
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« Reply #406 on: June 18, 2015, 11:21:31 am »
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So, for those not following the box office. Jurassic World passed The Avengers for opening week. Plus did a first ever $500M worldwide opening weekend.

And it was enjoyable too.

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Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.

That sounds exactly like knowing how to end movies.
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Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
« Reply #407 on: June 18, 2015, 02:15:19 pm »
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Does MScorcese know how to end movies? I thought he usually killed everyone then rolled credits.
um, alec baldwin didn't die in the departed, so clearly you're mistaken
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« Reply #408 on: June 19, 2015, 08:39:13 am »
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Well with 'wolf' Gangs of NY I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex butchery (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason.
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Re: Movies: Any movie buffs?
« Reply #409 on: June 19, 2015, 11:02:48 am »
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Well with 'wolf' Gangs of NY I felt there was an unrealistic amount of sex butchery (or maybe im just naive) and he was doing it completely for shock value. So much was completely irrelevant to the story and seemed to just be thrown in for no good reason.
FTFY
there wasn't thaaat much butchery. And when there was, it was really cool, he was throwing around knives. In fact, im not sure I understand your point. The violence in the movie wasn't pointless imo. And it wasnt gratuitous.
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« Reply #410 on: June 19, 2015, 11:03:52 am »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
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« Reply #411 on: June 19, 2015, 11:37:22 am »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.
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« Reply #412 on: June 19, 2015, 11:39:41 am »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
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« Reply #413 on: June 19, 2015, 11:52:06 am »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story
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« Reply #414 on: June 19, 2015, 12:25:50 pm »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story

Do you think a movie based on a true story should only depict things that actually happened ?

Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.
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« Reply #415 on: June 19, 2015, 12:44:11 pm »
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The sex in Wolf of Wall Street wasn't pointless or gratuitous, either.
idk, I don't really think it's comparable. I assumed it was gratuitous. I highly doubt that everything in the movie actually happened. There was a bunch that your links failed to confirm. If it all did actually happen, well, then I guess my criticism was wrong. Maybe it wasn't a good movie because it's just extremely hard to make good movie around these characters and this plot.

My point wasn't so much that it all actually happened, but that the movie was representing and focusing on these characters and what they did, how they acted, etc., and having crazy wild sex parties (among other things) is kind of a major point, so it's not really gratuitous.  More like just not what you want the movie to be about, which is fine.
well it's not too major a point if it didn't actually happen and the movie is supposed to be a true story

Do you think a movie based on a true story should only depict things that actually happened ?

Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.
well, obviously that's not what I think. If Bill the butcher was really Bill the actuary then that's something I'm glad they changed. But in wolf the changes only seemed to make it less enjoyable
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« Reply #416 on: June 19, 2015, 01:05:58 pm »
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And yeah fargo was quite good
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« Reply #417 on: June 19, 2015, 01:58:50 pm »
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And yeah fargo was quite good

And 100% faithful to the true story it was based on, amazingly.
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« Reply #418 on: June 19, 2015, 02:11:10 pm »
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And yeah fargo was quite good

And 100% faithful to the true story it was based on, amazingly.
I like the coen brothers in general very much. I think the big lebowski is their best and its one of my favorite movies ever, and no country for old men is also top notch although the ending really pissed me off for a while. Inside llewyn davis was really good too. I was very surprised when it didn't get an Oscar nomination.
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« Reply #419 on: June 19, 2015, 03:27:27 pm »
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I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.

Maybe it's just that I don't smoke weed, I don't know.
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« Reply #420 on: June 19, 2015, 04:20:01 pm »
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Because if so, I would advise against watching ANY movie based on a true story. Except Fargo.

Now that's just mean.
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« Reply #421 on: June 19, 2015, 06:06:10 pm »
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I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.

Maybe it's just that I don't smoke weed, I don't know.
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« Reply #422 on: June 19, 2015, 06:19:23 pm »
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I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.
I was also disappointed by Lebowski. Part of it is that it came at the end of this ridiculous run of great movies: Miller's Crossing, Hudsucker Proxy, Barton Fink, Fargo. It's not bad but it just didn't compare.
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« Reply #423 on: June 19, 2015, 06:49:27 pm »
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I was disappointed by The Big Lebowski actually. It was good, but it didn't click with me beyond that, it's probably my least favorite films of theirs actually. It felt a little too light compared to their other stuff, and even in that style I preferred Burn After Reading which is also a comedy but has an amazing energy to it.
I was also disappointed by Lebowski. Part of it is that it came at the end of this ridiculous run of great movies: Miller's Crossing, Hudsucker Proxy, Barton Fink, Fargo. It's not bad but it just didn't compare.
can someone explain Barton Fink to me? It was like visual gibberish.
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« Reply #424 on: June 19, 2015, 07:46:11 pm »
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I actually saw it very recently... and I'm not sure I can. I loved it, but I didn't fully understand it, and I really want to rewatch it (which is rare for me). John Goodman is amazing in it, that I'm certain of.

I mean clearly it's a morality tale and Barton Fink is experiencing some version of Hell, but I'm not sure where the lines are drawn between reality and hallucination/allegory. I'm sure the New York scenes are real, after that... I need to rewatch it. I want to say the scene where he completely and blatantly ignores anything Charlie has to say (their first scene actually) should be real, because it feels like that pretentious self-involvment is what he pays for in the rest of the movie, but I'mnot sure where the wallpaper thing starts to come in, as that's the first clear sign that the film is going in a surrealist direction.

And sure, The Dude is a nice character to be around, but he wasn't that fascinating to me.
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