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[XerxesPraelor]

I still have a scumread on Eevee, but I could look at Kingzog or robz.

[silverspawn]

Why KingZong? he looks very towny to me. I believe scum!KingZong would have been less aggressive towards me.

[Voltaire]

Why KingZong? he looks very towny to me. I believe scum!KingZong would have been less aggressive towards me.

He's one of my don't-wanting-to-lynch-but-still-willing-to-lynch players. Partially through POE based on reads, partially because I have swung so far in my reading newbies-thing that now I assume they can never be scum and well that is going to bite me in the butt at some point mathematically.

chairs's asking to be replaced actually strikes me as rather townie. vote: Witherweaver. Or Robz. Who wants to pick?

[XerxesPraelor]

WW has been pretty obviously buddying me, but I still think he's town. I'm fine with

vote: robz

[jotheonah]

Why KingZong? he looks very towny to me. I believe scum!KingZong would have been less aggressive towards me.

He's one of my don't-wanting-to-lynch-but-still-willing-to-lynch players. Partially through POE based on reads, partially because I have swung so far in my reading newbies-thing that now I assume they can never be scum and well that is going to bite me in the butt at some point mathematically.

chairs's asking to be replaced actually strikes me as rather townie. vote: Witherweaver. Or Robz. Who wants to pick?

Robz! RObz! It's like I've been saying!

[Robz888]

I totally deserve to be lynch, I have been of zero help.

Of course, I'm obviously not scum, as those who have played with me should very well know. Lurking past the point of acceptability, to the point where I was going to be in trouble? Obviously not something I do as scum.

[Voltaire]

vote: Robz

[Robz888]

vote: Robz

I will say that I have repeatedly tried to engage you, only to have you not really into that. Like, here, you could explain your reaction and we could talk about that, and more talking is very much needed in this game.

[Voltaire]

I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to do with your reply here? Do you not see how there is no situation in which assuming you to be town is not the worst gamble ever?

[Robz888]

I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to do with your reply here? Do you not see how there is no situation in which assuming you to be town is not the worst gamble ever?

This sentence is meaningless gobbledy gook. What? Do I not see no situation huh now? I'm not scum. You think I am. EXPLAIN WHY.

[jotheonah]

I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to do with your reply here? Do you not see how there is no situation in which assuming you to be town is not the worst gamble ever?

the triple negative here is pretty confusing

[KingZog3]

I mean, seriously, what am I supposed to do with your reply here? Do you not see how there is no situation in which assuming you to be town is not the worst gamble ever?

the triple negative here is pretty confusing

Yeah, I don't not understand not most of not it.

[jotheonah]

SK, times like this are when an IC can really be helpful. You could start leading, giving directions, asking questions. You know, stimulating the discussion.

This Robz-Volt fight is making me start to like Robz a little more and Volt a little less. Unvote for now, I need to re-read Voltaire.

We have a little time before deadline, 5 days. That's time to get ourselves a worthwhile lynch if we all actually do something.

[Hydrad]

Hmm ok I'm starting to think joth is town now. He seems to actually be trying to keep this game going and finding scum so town points for him. One thing I'm wondering is there any info we can gain from the day 1 votes? I'm not sure sure if we can as the lynch ended up being a situation where the deadline was about to come and we needed a lynch and TA was the closest at that time after me and XP claimed. In this situation I guess both scum and town would have those votes on him right?

[SK]

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

[Robz888]

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

It would probably be more helpful if a non-me person explained why I'm not scum.

[Hydrad]

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

It would probably be more helpful if a non-me person explained why I'm not scum.

I think your kinda towny so I can't help there... sorry

[Eevee]

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

It would probably be more helpful if a non-me person explained why I'm not scum.

I'm not sure you are not. I fell for this exact act once.

[Eevee]

I've been dropping the ball today. I'll try to reread some of the key people shortly.

[Robz888]

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

It would probably be more helpful if a non-me person explained why I'm not scum.

I'm not sure you are not. I fell for this exact act once.

God, everyone has to stop using multiple negatives!

But I think I understand what you are saying, and I don't want people to fight my battles for me unless they want to.

[AndrewisFTTW]

liopoil has replaced chairs.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Bond was sitting in his hotel room watching TV when he finally decided he had to do something. It had been a couple days since that tragic car chase and he still hadn't made much headway in finding out who was behind all of this. He decided he needed to have some fun. So he put on his tuxedo and headed down to the casino. He strode over to the bar and ordered a vodka martini, shaken not stirred, and surveyed the tables. "Are you here?" he wondered grinding his teeth, "if you want me, here I am."

Vote Count 2.4

silverspawn (2): Kingzog3, liopoil
liopoil (3): silverspawn, Witherweaver, Robz888
Robz888 (3): XerxesPraelor, Voltaire, SK

Not Voting (3): Hydrad, Eevee, jotheonah


With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends Sept. 14 at 5pm FT.

[silverspawn]

voltaire said, just assuming you are town is the worst thing ever, don't you see that?

maybe i'm too used to these? i didn't even realize it was a triple neg., it just read like a normal sentence to me

[silverspawn]

i made a collection of all of hydrads posts. but it's way longer than i expected (duh...). not sure if i should even post it

[silverspawn]

well, why not

Vote: kingzog as I think he's the only one I have never played with.

Vote: XP then. He's vote switching way to much.

I don't think WW saying he's a mason means anything really. He's just referencing how the mason claim in dice mafia pretty much got him lynched I think.

Vote: eevee

He says he won't be active day 1 and then ends up being one of the most active players. When will his scum lies end!

can someone explain OMGUS to me. I've looked it up multiple times and know it means oh my god you suck. But for whatever reason thats the one term when people use I still don't really understand what they mean by it. Its been bugging me for more then a month now but you guys are using it to often for me to keep going on oblivious.

can someone explain OMGUS to me. I've looked it up multiple times and know it means oh my god you suck. But for whatever reason thats the one term when people use I still don't really understand what they mean by it. Its been bugging me for more then a month now but you guys are using it to often for me to keep going on oblivious.

It means when you vote for someone who voted for you without any other reason besides them voting for you.

well i was overthinking that... thanks

well at least this game is starting up now. One thing I'm thinking. if SK and sudgy are masons does that make eevee scum for pointing it out to see if hes right? If hes town would he try and keep quiet if he thought they were masons?

Masons are confirmed town to each other, right? Neighbors are the ones who can chat but could also be scum?

Yes i believe masons are confirmed town to each other.

I'll unvote for now too.

well at least this game is starting up now. One thing I'm thinking. if SK and sudgy are masons does that make eevee scum for pointing it out to see if hes right? If hes town would he try and keep quiet if he thought they were masons?

I'm not sure that makes him scummy. If he thinks they're Masons, and he is town, he will want to keep them alive and showing the claim people missed means sudgy won't be lynched.

But sudgy was still really far away from being lynched. and if they do claim as masons then scum knows who to kill. Still I don't think this makes eevee scum but it leans slight scum to me.

If I was scum and somehow the only one who had noticed it, I could also, you know, just tell my scumbuddies at night and then we'd know but town wouldn't.

But I see it as they arn't garenteed masons with that. Sure the chances are high that they are a mason team. But maybe you pointed it out so that they might claim and you would know exactly who to kill instead of just a hunch.

also we still have the threat of a doctor. So even if they are a mason team it can be risky for scum to try and hit as thats probably the people the doctor will try to protect also.

Hydrad, I don't get it. In your hypothesis, I would already know who to kill, I caught the slip. It's better that everyone knows, if scum is going to know anyways, no?

It's not just a hunch. I mean, they haven't said anything, and literally everyone here is convinced anyways.

Hmm i guess your just more confident then me. Personally I'm still not 100% sure that they are masons. Is there also a chance that SK and sudgy are a scum team and  made a big mistake? Anyways if I was scum I wouldn't of assumed they were masons and still am not fully convinced. It would probably take me a claim or some more information for me to be 100% sure if they are who I should kill. So I guess thats why I sort of see it as scummy from you just because I'm not as sure if they are masons as you seem to be.

And, I'm basically 100% not voting for Sudgy or SK today.

same

Hmm well this is unfortunate.

For what its worth now that they have claimed I believe them and don't want to vote for them. Actually even before they claimed I wasn't going to vote for them today unless something like mason counterclaims appeared. All I was saying was I didn't like how people were acting like masons were 100% confirmed in the game and SK and sudgy hadn't said anything about it.

I believed masons were most likely in the game with SK's townslip but I didn't like how everyone was acting that  it was 100% confirmed before it was actually confirmed at all.

becuase if we have 2 masons the lowest one if I'm reading the site right is a goon godfather SK team. If we have any more PR's in this game then there can be even more scum to find!

Whoa its weird that rolling 2 T's and rolling 0T's give the same scum team. I guess its not that common but still. Feels weird

oh when he said 3 scum. Doesn't that include SK as a scum? so for me a goon,godfather,  SK selection means 3 scum right?

Not sold on Xerxes, although I don't have town read either.

Vote: Hydrad He feels off. I haven't reread though.

Hmm I find it interesting that you think I feel "off". If you do find weird posts I can try to adrress them but there really shouldn't be anything different about my play as I'm still town.

Vote: xp

I think the case on him is pretty good for day1 interactions.

But now I'm just going to wait because I'm sure ww will find this vote scummy somehow

Would it be too much trouble to ask the Hydrad voters to lay out their case in one post so we can compare the merits of the two cases more easily? I'm certainly not against a Hydrad lynch, but I do think I like XP better right now.

I would also like to know. Eevee is pretty much voting me because I feel weird. And not 100% sure why ww is so ready to lynch me.

Would it be too much trouble to ask the Hydrad voters to lay out their case in one post so we can compare the merits of the two cases more easily? I'm certainly not against a Hydrad lynch, but I do think I like XP better right now.

I would also like to know. Eevee is pretty much voting me because I feel weird. And not 100% sure why ww is so ready to lynch me.

I'm sure if you go check you're alignment PM you'll figure it out!

Went back and checked for you. Still saying town!

Reread Hydrad. Basically all his posts after RVS are about the mason claim, which means his biggest contribution is the weird suspicion on me that still doesn't make sense to me. Very little actual content, and even that quite scummy. I like my vote.

Hmm so I guess i'll explain why I thought you calling out the masons was weird. This is probably with my inexperience with this game so I could be totally wrong but here is what I would of done.

So if you figured out they are masons I guess what I would of done if I noticed that was keep quiet and see how people react. Maybe there will be a couple people that will try pushing a SK/sudgy scum team trying to get a easy mislynch? Or we might even get lucky and scum might not realize they are masons and SK and sudgy might be able to stay alive longer into the game where the mason claim will help out even more.

But I realize this relys heavily on the fact that other people wouldn't notice that they were masons. For me it made sense to not call them out right away because I didn't even consider them being masons as a option. So I do think I agree now with your choice of calling them out. I guess I just thought it was less obvious then it really was and was just hoping scum wouldn't figure it out.

We're not switching to XP.  That's silly.

When is deadline?

September 2nd

So is there even a case that I can defend myself here? Because it feels like there is almost no reason why I'm getting voted. I guess I had my post about not being 100% sure if they were masons or not. Is that the reason we are voting for me?

I don't really see why if I was scum I would do that. If i'm scum I'm pretty sure I would see that it really looks like a mason slip and believe it. There wouldn't be any point in fighting for it because if they claim then I'm in a weird spot.

Now what I was trying to see was the chance that they were either a scum team and SK made a huge slip. Or even the chance that SK was just trusting sudgy since he was the mod in his first NM6 game. I guess I havn't played with enough mason games to have been as confident as everyone else.

Hmm well I don't really know what to say then. I guess I played the mason part completely wrong. I was just scared of everyone believing SK and sudgy were masons before anything was confirmed. I guess thats just a personal thing though since I feel like making assumptions like that can really hurt you if they are wrong.

But I'm guessing this isn't going to change anyones vote on me. So now we have to see how many people think I'm scum.

Also am I allowed to say that I really hate day 1s? For whatever reason I usually get a decent amount of heat or wagons on me during day 1. The other days I seem to be suspected much less. I almost feel like I should just lurk day 1 so that I don't say anything that could be interpreted as being scummy. Anyways I'm not actually going to do that as that is a boring way to play. Just wanted to say something of how annoying day 1 is

Well I still find joth's case on XP good. So I find XP the scummiest right now. The problem is that both of you think XP is towny. So your saying I either have to convince you extremely well that XP is scum. Or I have to jump off my scum read and build another person that I think is scum. Personally I don't really want to jump off of my read as I still do think XP is scum. But I feel like unless XP comes out and says he is scum you won't vote for him at all.

Now this is a genuine question. What is the right move here? Pretend I'm town for a moment. In day1 with almost no info I don't think there is really anything to build a case on other then XP. But what has been said on XP is pretty much all hes been posted. I don't see how I can get you to change your mind unless I also have a claim and even then if I did claim there is a chance you wouldn't believe me.

isn't waiting for the first reasonable chance to attack someone, and then going really strong, scummy also?

That sounds like good town play to me. If no one is willing to do anything, we'll just twiddle our thumbs until the deadline. Applying pressure is the best way to generate interactions that generate reads.

Can I use this to get townyness on my suspicion on the SK/sudgy thing? probably not but while rereading I noticed it and just wanted to put it out here. Although I guess I didn't attack I just rose opinions and suspicion.

Anyways I'm sorry silver but after rereading I think I'm finding you slightly scummy.

sounds like someone's getting a little hot under the collar at the prospect of two ICs.

they always had the chance to claim. the fact that they revealed themselves is, while maybe not a big deal, still a good thing for scum. likewise, the prospect of two IC's is not a surprise, but something that was anticipated from the start.

So there is this mention. Which seems like he was expecting masons. If he was scum and knows that they have a powerful team then expecting masons makes sense here.

Um.. you anticipated having Masons?  That's not really the most likely scenario.

it's not?

Depends.  How much information did you have coming into today?

I read the OP, it said roles are "distributed randomly". I read through the wiki page of the setup, though not everything. and someone said something about on open setup, so I assumed that I was misinformed and we're actually supposed to know more.

This looks like hes just trying to cover his "scumslip". although I don't really like using that word as I've found 90% of the time people call something a scumslip its really not...

Then there is this vote

Vote: jotheonah

it's not a strong case, but let's force some reactions

This feels like a way for scum to get on a wagon to see if it sticks. But if it doesn't you have the excuse that you were only doing it for reactions. It seems like a scummy way to get your vote on someone personally.

It really isn't a strong case. I would submit that a better case is the one I was too scared to make -- silverspawn's play, of "making sure no one's 100 percent cleared" is definitely something scum would do as early as they could in a discussion like the one we just had.

I'll vote: silverspawn in any case.

they aren't 100% cleared. it could be a scum team making a dangerous move. and we should keep that in mind. If you find the truth scummy, I don't know what to tell you.

Also joth was the person suspecting SS so silverspawn might of thought jumping on the joth wagon had a chance to get rid of the person suspecting him. I find this one unlikely but still its something to keep in mind. Hes also trying to get us to put a bit of doubt on the SK/sudgy team. This could be seen as scum trying to get us not to trust the IC's as much and maybe down the line lynching them accidentily.

Vote: xp

I think the case on him is pretty good for day1 interactions.

But now I'm just going to wait because I'm sure ww will find this vote scummy somehow

What's wrong with my defense?

it's scummy

SS also states that he thinks XP is scummy and his defense is scummy. But here he votes for TA

I don't think the case on Xer is that bad. however, I'll rather vote:Twistedarcher until he does a little bit more/stops being overly cautious.

I see this as if XP is scum he can still say he liked the lynch on XP but hes not actually helping push it here to see if XP can get saved today.

so... I think we should lynch twiste

Then he tries to get a TA wagon going. But doesn't really post much on it. Thats pretty much it for now. So at this moment I think silver/XP is a possible scum team.

you followed my advise. very good.

       

What's wrong with my defense?

    it's scummy

SS also states that he thinks XP is scummy and his defense is scummy. But here he votes for TA

this was a joke

about the rest, I'm not going to take it all that seriously, since you are just panicking.

I'm not really panicking. I still like the XP case the most here. But I'm finding everyone else either towny or not enough interactions to get a case on. I realize this case is also pretty weak also. But if eevee and WW don't want to lynch XP I think your the next one I can think of that might be scum.

Really though I still want to lynch XP.

And what's townie about Hydrad?

Because I'm town and hes scum and he might get town cred for if I get lynched!

I really hope I'm not wrong about you XP. If you are town and I'm tunneling you like this I'll feel really bad. But I just have a feeling that your scum

I'm thinking it would be more scummy? Because to scum you just have your team and know you need to kill all the other people. That's how I feel about it.

I would also rather do a lynch then no lynch. Still prefer XP but will go TA if the other choice is me.

If I'm counting right TA is at 5.

The biggest reason I still think XP is scum is because how his wagon is refusing to get bigger. Scum does not want to lose their member on day 1. The wagon has just sat there the whole game and I feel like his scum buddies are to scared to jump on it. Personally I see TA as more towny for this reason because his wagon appeared out of no where and I think even hit L-1. I don't know if he was scum if that would happen.

TA is at L-1? I will say I'm tempted to hammer just to save myself. And I feel like I should as I think after I post this people are going to unvote and lynch me. But I like xp more still.

he is L-2 though

Ah I missed that somehow.

Well this is going poorly. Ww I don't know why your so sure that I'm scum. If I do get lynched it's going to be green words :/.

Also I'm assuming at this point if any of us 3 has a PR they should claim? Unless it's doctor I'm guessing. Actually scum has a roleblocker most likely right? So claiming could be really bad and the could just roleblocker us.

I'm leaving for work in a bit but I should be able to check in slightly while at work. I really hope I don't get blitz lynched while away

I think there is also Robz who might vote XP too.

oh nvm robz is already voting.

This is horrible I'm a 1shot vig...

Personally I have my doubts about xp but I guess I'm ok with letting him live for a bit in case he is a doctor. But I find it really weird that scum didn't kill him if he is a doctor. I guess theres a chance we have another doctor or a 1 shot doctor that saved him. Or maybe scum kept him alive to see if we would lynch him and it saves scum a night kill on him.

Honestly this situation is really annoying and I'm curious what others think of it.

well the big thing is that XP is still alive. that can mean one of the following things
-> he was doctored
-> he was left alive so that we think he's scum and lynch him
-> he is scum
-> scum thinks he fakeclaimed. but that's supposedly not a good thing to do.

while we're at it, why is that a bad thing to do? say TA had claimed to be... dunno... town cop. we probably would have lynched someone else then, who might have been scum. why is that not good play?

I think it could be dangerous. What if the actual town cop says no i'm the cop! comes out thinking weve causght scum. then all thats happening is we guess on one of them. find out they are town and then lynch TA lets say. Now we still killed TA but scum also know who our cop is.

scum could of roleblocked XP though. so that could explain the boldness of killing sudgy

I think that XP saying he targetted SS goes slightly townie in my books. If he was scum the 2 things I would think of would be to either say I targetted SK or say I targetted sudgy and that I got roleblocked. As I'm guessing scum roleblocked XP anyways thinking that he might hit sudgy. But that we might still kill XP since his claim could easily of been a doctor claim to live one more day.

Thats my theory on what happened last night

Also just incase someone wonders why I keep thinking there is a roleblocker in this game. I am currently at work and can't check the mafiascum link for this game as its blocked. But I believe with 4 letters scum is forced to have a roleblocker?

Actually I was going to shoot someone to confirm myself tonight but I was afraid of being roleblocked and using up my shot. I think there was a high chance I got roleblocked so I don't think I should say if I decided to shoot or not quite yet.

Ya well I was expecting them to kill the doctor then roleblock me. Or xp is scum and they roleblocked me.

Ya well I was expecting them to kill the doctor then roleblock me. Or xp is scum and they roleblocked me.

Scum don't RB Vigs early in the game. Scum RB doctors.

why wouldnt scum just kill doctor?

Hmm ok then. I'll keep that in mind. This is one of my first games with a roleblocker so I guess I didn't understand what he was going to do.

Hmm on my reads I'm still really suspicious about XP but I don't really want to lynch him today. Its something that if needed we can wait till Lylo because if he is actually the doctor they have to keep roleblocking him every night if they want to kill people. Which I'm ok with.

joth I have a slight scum read. and also I think one of WW/eevee might be scum. I get the feeling that one of them is trying to buddy with the other. So that the other gets a townie vibe from him and can gain town cred.

Volt and silver I think are decently towny. And Robz I would lean town right now.

Thats where I'm standing right now.

oh and SK I have town read on... obviously

kingzog and chairs are both null right now as one hasn't said much and the other is still new so i'm finding him hard to read

while I seem to always misplay day 1 stuff.

Okay.
Why are we voting chairs if he is going to be replaced?
And…Robz is right, he deserves to be lynched. Then he goes on to say that hes town because he was lurking? Aka he is town because he is acting anti-town? This is either bad policy, or scum. I really dont care about his meta. vote: Robz

It would probably be more helpful if a non-me person explained why I'm not scum.

I think your kinda towny so I can't help there... sorry

Hmm ok I'm starting to think joth is town now. He seems to actually be trying to keep this game going and finding scum so town points for him. One thing I'm wondering is there any info we can gain from the day 1 votes? I'm not sure sure if we can as the lynch ended up being a situation where the deadline was about to come and we needed a lynch and TA was the closest at that time after me and XP claimed. In this situation I guess both scum and town would have those votes on him right?