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GendoIkari

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In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« on: December 09, 2011, 04:10:29 pm »
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http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20111208-164248-c5f8b0eb.html

I want to know what people think about my turn 16 here. I think my opponent made a big mistake by going Pirate Ship on this board, but once he did, I had a great thing going where I was getting 8 money every turn, but in a very small deck. This meant that I knew I would start drawing those Provinces instead of my 8 money, so I figured I would just trash a couple, and easily collect the rest.

I got a little worried when he immediately responded by buying a Province; I thought his deck would be incapable of doing that. Also, I had 3 Provinces in my hand along with that Chapel, so I could have actually trashed all 3. So did I make the right move here? It obviously worked, but would you ever see yourself doing something similar in a game?
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2011, 04:17:52 pm »
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I don't think it's a good move. Once you're that full of actions and VPs, you can probably just buy a Gold or 2 and keep scoring normally.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2011, 04:25:33 pm »
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I don't think it's a good move. Once you're that full of actions and VPs, you can probably just buy a Gold or 2 and keep scoring normally.

I wanted to avoid Gold, or even Silver, because of his Pirate Ship. But perhaps I didn't need to be worried about it; knowing that I'd have Secret Chamber about 1/3 of the time; and the Gold in hand another 1/3 of the time...
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2011, 04:28:13 pm »
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Yeah, it's just such a small component of your deck, and if he hits it, oh well, you'll almost certainly be able to buy another one real soon. There are also still 2 Peddlers you can grab.

Straight trashing the Provinces is giving up a lot for a pretty marginal speedup here. With many of the boutique trashers - Salvager, Bishop, Remodel, Expand - it would indeed be a very good play.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2011, 04:41:01 pm »
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Yeah, it's just such a small component of your deck, and if he hits it, oh well, you'll almost certainly be able to buy another one real soon. There are also still 2 Peddlers you can grab.

Straight trashing the Provinces is giving up a lot for a pretty marginal speedup here. With many of the boutique trashers - Salvager, Bishop, Remodel, Expand - it would indeed be a very good play.

Thanks. I think I agree; especially based on the fact that I only won by 6 points in a game in which my opponent was unable to do almost anything. At the time it seemed great, though.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2011, 07:21:34 pm »
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You could have bought a cellar.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2011, 08:47:25 am »
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Yeah, DG has it right. This is exactly the situation cellar is designed for.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 09:58:41 am »
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I trashed a Province in this game, and I think it was the correct move, but I was so far ahead, it probably did not actually matter.

I was up 3 Provinces to 0 in a game where I was able to use Highway + Saboteur to hit his Provinces directly.  There were only 3 Provinces left in the supply, and I trashed/bought one on that turn to make it 3-0 with 2 remaining, and to keep my engine running so I could continue to hit any Provinces he managed to buy.

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20111211-123623-6a150d2f.html

Ultimately, for trashing a Province for no benefit to be the right decision, you probably are going to have to be ahead by enough that it doesn't really make a difference what you do.
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Re: In which I use Chapel to trash 2 Provinces
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2011, 07:10:38 pm »
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Plus, having the gold as a target for pirate ship is likely to your benefit - the more your opponent uses his pirate ships to attack, the fewer opportunities he has to use them to produce $.
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