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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6850 on: June 12, 2021, 11:10:54 am »
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Why the Silver? Monument, Copper, Copper, Copper, Chapel thindeck will do the trick.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6851 on: June 16, 2021, 08:35:25 pm »
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Reddit Card Action costing
+2 cards
+2 Actions
-2 Buys
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Until your next turn, each player trashes any Attack cards they play.
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When a player gains a Province, you may reveal this from your hand to end the game.

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6852 on: June 16, 2021, 10:00:31 pm »
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Reddit Card Action costing
+2 cards
+2 Actions
-2 Buys
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Until your next turn, each player trashes any Attack cards they play.
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When a player gains a Province, you may reveal this from your hand to end the game.

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6853 on: June 17, 2021, 09:09:33 am »
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URL? Google's not finding me anything obvious, but I'm bored and could do with a laugh.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6854 on: June 17, 2021, 07:06:16 pm »
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Pearl Conniver
Action-Attack
$2

+1 Card
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Each other player reveals the bottom card of their deck, then you decide whether to discard it or leave it there.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6855 on: June 17, 2021, 07:08:01 pm »
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Scout's Dishonor
Action-Attack
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Each other player reveals the top 4 cards of their deck.  If any Victory cards are revealed, you may trash this to put any number of them into your hand.  Put the rest back in any order.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6856 on: June 24, 2021, 06:39:44 pm »
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Participation Trophy
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At the end of each turn, if the previous turn wasn't yours, +1 VP
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6857 on: June 24, 2021, 07:15:23 pm »
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Suburbs
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During your turns, all cards are named Steve.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6858 on: June 30, 2021, 07:18:50 am »
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Grade
Action-Ruins
Cost: $0

Trash a card from your hand.  Gain it.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6859 on: July 03, 2021, 03:28:34 pm »
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Silver Is the New Purple
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In games using this when you would gain a Curse, gain a Silver instead. Silvers are worth -0.5 VP.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6860 on: July 03, 2021, 04:28:46 pm »
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Black Is The New Gold
Project
$4

After your Night phase, get $3 for each $6 worth of Night cards in play, and you may Buy a card.


I'm Blue
Event
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Set aside a Reaction card and an Action card from the Supply.  Any Action set aside this way may be played from your hand any time the Reaction card could trigger if it were in your hand.  (For the purpose of checking whether the reaction could trigger, treat the Reaction card as if it were an extra card in your hand that does not count toward your hand size.)
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Setup:  Add three Reaction cards to the Supply.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6861 on: July 03, 2021, 06:28:13 pm »
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Just One
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After you turn, each player reveals a card from their hand. Trash any duplicates.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6862 on: July 05, 2021, 12:06:18 am »
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Pony
Action
Cost: $2

Return this to its pile.  If you did:
+2 Cards
+1 Action

(This is not in the Supply)
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6863 on: July 06, 2021, 10:30:06 am »
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Mare
Action
Cost: $5

+1 Card
+1 Action
Gain a Foal.
(Heirloom: Stallion)


Stallion
Treasure-Heirloom
Cost: $3

+$1
+1 Buy
Mare costs $2 less this turn.
(Also has a non-Supply pile)


Foal
Action
Cost: $2

+1 Card
+1 Action
Exchange this for a Horse, Mare, or Stallion.
(Not in the Supply)
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6864 on: July 06, 2021, 11:06:18 am »
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Sure, it doesn't especially matter for a RBCI, but Foal would need a "when you discard this from play" big-background-arrow thingy like the Page/Peasant lines, rather than a flat-out "exchange". Otherwise you end up in corner-case hell.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6865 on: July 07, 2021, 11:37:07 am »
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Sure, it doesn't especially matter for a RBCI, but Foal would need a "when you discard this from play" big-background-arrow thingy like the Page/Peasant lines, rather than a flat-out "exchange". Otherwise you end up in corner-case hell.

This is a discussion I must have missed.  Aside from making it faster to finish a Traveler sequence, what gets broken if we don't wait for this?
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6866 on: July 07, 2021, 01:42:49 pm »
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Sure, it doesn't especially matter for a RBCI, but Foal would need a "when you discard this from play" big-background-arrow thingy like the Page/Peasant lines, rather than a flat-out "exchange". Otherwise you end up in corner-case hell.

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whys that? bats + vampires exchange both to and from the supply/out-of-supply with no problem
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6867 on: July 07, 2021, 02:32:21 pm »
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Sure, it doesn't especially matter for a RBCI, but Foal would need a "when you discard this from play" big-background-arrow thingy like the Page/Peasant lines, rather than a flat-out "exchange". Otherwise you end up in corner-case hell.

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whys that? bats + vampires exchange both to and from the supply/out-of-supply with no problem

That was my initial thought as well. Vampire and Bat are not Action cards, so cannot be played in unusual ways using emulators/command cards/throne variants, which, in theory, could cause issues. The official rules cover an Exchange failing because there is no card to get, but I don't think they cover one failing because there is no card to return (or it has been lost under the stop-moving rule).

The logical answer is that an exchange requires both, and so just as you don't return a card if there is none to take, you don't take a card if there is none to return, but that is not officially set forth. I suppose someone could argue whether exchange should work conditionally like Wish or unconditionally like Horse (if you Throne the former you only gain one card, but if you throne the latter you get the +Cards and +Actions twice, even though you only return it once), but I think the plain meaning of the word pretty clearly suggests the former.

I don't know what other problems there could be.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6868 on: July 07, 2021, 05:37:41 pm »
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My main worry is that I'm not sure it's completely clear how the Exchange mechanic interacts with the Stop-Moving rule. Presumably the intent would be that a Throned Foal didn't let you exchange it twice, but I suspect that would need a special ruling. Using the existing mechanism would be simpler.

Yes, that would also prevent you playing what you exchanged the Foal for on the same turn as the exchange, which also seems like a good idea. (I note that if you get especially creative, say, using a Monastery to trash a Cultist, it is possible to draw a Vampire/Bat, and therefore play it, the turn you got it; I assume that was deemed OK because it's an alternation more than an upgrade?)
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6869 on: July 07, 2021, 05:43:11 pm »
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Sure, it doesn't especially matter for a RBCI, but Foal would need a "when you discard this from play" big-background-arrow thingy like the Page/Peasant lines, rather than a flat-out "exchange". Otherwise you end up in corner-case hell.

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whys that? bats + vampires exchange both to and from the supply/out-of-supply with no problem

That was my initial thought as well. Vampire and Bat are not Action cards, so cannot be played in unusual ways using emulators/command cards/throne variants, which, in theory, could cause issues. The official rules cover an Exchange failing because there is no card to get, but I don't think they cover one failing because there is no card to return (or it has been lost under the stop-moving rule).

The logical answer is that an exchange requires both, and so just as you don't return a card if there is none to take, you don't take a card if there is none to return, but that is not officially set forth. I suppose someone could argue whether exchange should work conditionally like Wish or unconditionally like Horse (if you Throne the former you only gain one card, but if you throne the latter you get the +Cards and +Actions twice, even though you only return it once), but I think the plain meaning of the word pretty clearly suggests the former.

I don't know what other problems there could be.

The rules DO actually cover an Exchange failing because there is no card to return. From the Nocturne rules:

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Nocturne has three cards that tell a player to "exchange" a card for another card. The card being exchanged is returned to its Supply pile, or non-Supply pile, and the card being exchanged for is taken and put into the player's discard pile. This does not count as gaining a card. The exchange only happens if both cards can be exchanged; if the pile is empty, the cards are not exchanged.

And the stop-moving rule would prevent a Commanded Foal from returning to its pile, as it's already there. "Exchange this for a Card X" is effectively identical to "return this to its pile. If you do, put a Card X from its pile into your discard pile."
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6870 on: July 08, 2021, 11:32:04 am »
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Ah, but can you really not "return" a card to its pile when it's already there?

I can see two potential objections. The first is that the "exchange" ability expects the card to be in play, the second that you can't move a card to somewhere it already is. While both seem plausible, neither seem to be spelled out anywhere.

On the first point, Vampire and Bat are the only cards that currently exchange themselves from play. I've thought for a bit, and I'm struggling to come up with any way you could possibly cause either to be played without being put into play, or to have left play before reaching the "exchange" instruction. So I don't think there's a ruling on that, yet.

On the second point, I've just gone down a rabbit hole that reaches a deeply absurd conclusion. I think I need to post a rules question. (-8
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6871 on: July 08, 2021, 03:08:45 pm »
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Ah, but can you really not "return" a card to its pile when it's already there?

Way of the Butterfly says yes.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6872 on: July 08, 2021, 09:06:16 pm »
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Way of the Butterfly says yes.
So far as I can see it's silent on the matter?
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6873 on: July 10, 2021, 01:15:49 am »
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Way of the Butterfly says yes.
So far as I can see it's silent on the matter?

Have you ever tried Throning a card and using Way of the Butterfly on the Throned card both times? It fails the second time, because by then it's already in its pile.

That was my initial thought as well. Vampire and Bat are not Action cards, so cannot be played in unusual ways using emulators/command cards/throne variants, which, in theory, could cause issues.

Command cards wouldn't work. "Play a card [with X criteria] from the Supply." - Command cards. Foal is not in the Supply. Only Throne Room variants would work.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #6874 on: July 10, 2021, 11:57:23 am »
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You seem to be relying on the online implementation, not the rulebook?
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