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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3450 on: March 31, 2015, 04:25:53 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3451 on: March 31, 2015, 04:42:20 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3452 on: March 31, 2015, 06:07:37 pm »
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Man I just came here to post this before seeing that

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3453 on: March 31, 2015, 06:20:19 pm »
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The definitive answer should be to do whatever is clearer.  If it's clear either way, do whichever you prefer.  Many people think that the Oxford comma is important because it removes ambiguity, but there are situations where it actually creates ambiguity.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3454 on: March 31, 2015, 06:41:46 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3455 on: March 31, 2015, 07:38:44 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3456 on: March 31, 2015, 08:23:31 pm »
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The definitive answer should be to do whatever is clearer.  If it's clear either way, do whichever you prefer.  Many people think that the Oxford comma is important because it removes ambiguity, but there are situations where it actually creates ambiguity.

If JFK and Stalin are strippers, then the "Oxford comma" isn't an Oxford comma.  Or is there some other example I'm not familiar with?  I generally prefer it in more typical cases, even if there isn't much chance of confusion.  Probably because whatever example you're thinking of is less common to the point where I don't remember having seen it.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3457 on: March 31, 2015, 08:39:59 pm »
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3458 on: March 31, 2015, 08:41:34 pm »
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Man I just came here to post this before seeing that

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3459 on: April 01, 2015, 01:20:46 am »
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The definitive answer should be to do whatever is clearer.  If it's clear either way, do whichever you prefer.  Many people think that the Oxford comma is important because it removes ambiguity, but there are situations where it actually creates ambiguity.

If JFK and Stalin are strippers, then the "Oxford comma" isn't an Oxford comma.  Or is there some other example I'm not familiar with?  I generally prefer it in more typical cases, even if there isn't much chance of confusion.  Probably because whatever example you're thinking of is less common to the point where I don't remember having seen it.

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3460 on: April 01, 2015, 08:15:31 am »
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If you wrote the stripper last, the comma has no issue functioning clearly.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3461 on: April 01, 2015, 12:15:48 pm »
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Oh wow, the plural changes things.  "JFK the stripper and Stalin" would be the clearest.  But language just sucks.  Guess you would want more words, at least until parentheses for grouping things becomes something that's actually readable by humans at full speed.

The other option here is "The stripper, JFK; and Stalin", but you usually don't see that unless you have more than one comma subclause in a list.  I think the Oxford semicolon does the job, but mostly it's a horrible situation.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3462 on: April 01, 2015, 12:45:32 pm »
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If you wrote the stripper last, the comma has no issue functioning clearly.

And you can do something similar for the original version of that image which is in favour of the Oxford Comma.

We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers.

See?  Oxford Comma not needed.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3463 on: April 01, 2015, 04:42:34 pm »
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If you wrote the stripper last, the comma has no issue functioning clearly.

And you can do something similar for the original version of that image which is in favour of the Oxford Comma.

We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers.

See?  Oxford Comma not needed.

But you could be talking *to* Stalin and the strippers *about* JFK.  Language sucks.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3464 on: April 01, 2015, 04:51:51 pm »
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Stalin strippers Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3465 on: April 01, 2015, 05:27:41 pm »
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If you wrote the stripper last, the comma has no issue functioning clearly.

And you can do something similar for the original version of that image which is in favour of the Oxford Comma.

We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers.

See?  Oxford Comma not needed.

But you could be talking *to* Stalin and the strippers *about* JFK.  Language sucks.

Huh?  The original version of the image I posted has the example sentences: "We invited the strippers, JFK, and Stalin" vs. "We invited the strippers, JFK and Stalin".  The latter version without the Oxford comma is ambiguous because it could be saying that JFK and Stalin are the strippers.  My example is showing that the Oxford Comma can introduce ambiguity.  ashersky points out that you can remove ambiguity by shuffling the order of the subjects, but the same holds true for the original example. 

Basically, none of these examples are a good reason to say that you should always (or never) use the Oxford Comma.  As I said, you should do whichever is clearer.  If it's clear either way, do whatever you prefer.

It's also worth noting that some sentences are ambiguous either way.  For example, we can talk about 3 people:

1. We invited JFK, a communist dictator, and a stripper.
2. We invited JFK, a communist dictator and a stripper.

Sentence 1 uses the Oxford Comma but it may ambiguously suggest that JFK is a communist dictator.  Sentence 2 omits the comma but it may ambiguously suggest that JFK is both a communist dictator and a stripper.  But either way, the ambiguity can be solved (mostly) by moving JFK to the end of the sentence.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3466 on: April 01, 2015, 05:41:28 pm »
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If you wrote the stripper last, the comma has no issue functioning clearly.

And you can do something similar for the original version of that image which is in favour of the Oxford Comma.

We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers.

See?  Oxford Comma not needed.

But you could be talking *to* Stalin and the strippers *about* JFK.  Language sucks.

Huh?  The original version of the image I posted has the example sentences: "We invited the strippers, JFK, and Stalin" vs. "We invited the strippers, JFK and Stalin".  The latter version without the Oxford comma is ambiguous because it could be saying that JFK and Stalin are the strippers.  My example is showing that the Oxford Comma can introduce ambiguity.  ashersky points out that you can remove ambiguity by shuffling the order of the subjects, but the same holds true for the original example. 

Basically, none of these examples are a good reason to say that you should always (or never) use the Oxford Comma.  As I said, you should do whichever is clearer.  If it's clear either way, do whatever you prefer.

It's also worth noting that some sentences are ambiguous either way.  For example, we can talk about 3 people:

1. We invited JFK, a communist dictator, and a stripper.
2. We invited JFK, a communist dictator and a stripper.

Sentence 1 uses the Oxford Comma but it may ambiguously suggest that JFK is a communist dictator.  Sentence 2 omits the comma but it may ambiguously suggest that JFK is both a communist dictator and a stripper.  But either way, the ambiguity can be solved (mostly) by moving JFK to the end of the sentence.

Minotaur is saying the sentence "We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers" could be interpreted as "Hello, Stalin and the strippers.  We invited JFK!".
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3467 on: April 01, 2015, 05:42:55 pm »
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Minotaur is saying the sentence "We invited JFK, Stalin and the strippers" could be interpreted as "Hello, Stalin and the strippers.  We invited JFK!".

Ahhh, OK.  Got it.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3468 on: April 01, 2015, 06:00:17 pm »
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Basically, parentheses solve 99% of the problems, but create just as many headaches.  I still prefer commas over not when they're optional, and I sometimes use them too much just because I would pause slightly when speaking.  I pause a lot when speaking.  X-P
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3469 on: April 01, 2015, 11:04:41 pm »
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The problem with all these examples is that in most real-life cases the context should make the meaning clear.
The very reason that the JFK & Stalin comic is biased towards the Oxford comma is because we know who JFK & Stalin are, which makes it a self-defeating argument.
With or without the Oxford comma the meaning is clear: the strippers are obviously a separate entity to JFK & Stalin.

If you are worrying about whether the presence or omission of an Oxford comma changes the meaning of a sentence, rewrite the damn sentence!
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3470 on: April 02, 2015, 01:53:40 am »
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Double-tangent, but I think Oxford Coma should be a hipster romantic comedy spinoff on While You Were Sleeping.
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« Reply #3471 on: April 02, 2015, 07:48:23 am »
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Double-tangent, but I think Oxford Coma should be a hipster romantic comedy spinoff on While You Were Sleeping.
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« Reply #3472 on: April 02, 2015, 07:06:59 pm »
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The problem with all these examples is that in most real-life cases the context should make the meaning clear.
The very reason that the JFK & Stalin comic is biased towards the Oxford comma is because we know who JFK & Stalin are, which makes it a self-defeating argument.
With or without the Oxford comma the meaning is clear: the strippers are obviously a separate entity to JFK & Stalin.

If you are worrying about whether the presence or omission of an Oxford comma changes the meaning of a sentence, rewrite the damn sentence!

There are plenty of generic examples (where genuine confusion can arise even with context) that have ambiguity with the comma, ambiguity without the comma, or ambiguity either way.  And yes, in most of those cases, there is a way to rewrite the sentence.  That's certainly the best solution.

My pet peeve is just the people who uphold the Oxford comma as the be-all-end-all when it really isn't the case!
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« Reply #3473 on: April 02, 2015, 08:27:04 pm »
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The problem with all these examples is that in most real-life cases the context should make the meaning clear.
The very reason that the JFK & Stalin comic is biased towards the Oxford comma is because we know who JFK & Stalin are, which makes it a self-defeating argument.
With or without the Oxford comma the meaning is clear: the strippers are obviously a separate entity to JFK & Stalin.

If you are worrying about whether the presence or omission of an Oxford comma changes the meaning of a sentence, rewrite the damn sentence!

There are plenty of generic examples (where genuine confusion can arise even with context) that have ambiguity with the comma, ambiguity without the comma, or ambiguity either way.  And yes, in most of those cases, there is a way to rewrite the sentence.  That's certainly the best solution.

My pet peeve is just the people who uphold the Oxford comma as the be-all-end-all when it really isn't the case!

The real solution is parentheses and commas.  We invited (JFK, Stalin, Strippers) to the party.  The "Oxford comma" is in there without the and.  Programmers assure us that this makes more sense, but you could write a script to parse " and" as a comma.
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Re: Really bad card ideas
« Reply #3474 on: April 02, 2015, 08:29:32 pm »
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Oxford Literally, aka Legally Blonde 3.  After having become President or whatever the hell whatsherface did, she goes back to school to do English and stuff.  She is literally the smartest person ever now, omigod.
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