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[Schneau]

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Hamlet, Ambassador, Chancellor, Woodcutter, Bridge, Gardens, Quarry, Contraband, Graverobber, Harvest
Log: http://gokologs.drunkensailor.org/static/logprettifier.html?20140622/log.5070b64ea2e6d027a23183f4.1403485598090.txt

In this game we both opened Ambassador, and ended up very sloggy with me trying to use Graverobbers to get Provinces while he hit Duchies hard for the win.

Afterward, I wondered whether a Gardens slog would be the way to go here, with Bridge, Woodcutter, and Hamlet giving +Buy. I was worried that uncontested, the Ambassador player could get something going with Bridge and Hamlet, but now that I look again I think there's just not enough draw for an engine to work.

So, would a Gardens slog be best here? If so, do you open Quarry/Woodcutter, Bridge/Woodcutter, or Bridge/Hamlet?

[DG]

This looks like a pure gardens deck. A province buying deck that denies a few gardens might counter that but I don't think the ambassador/graverobber thing is ever going to be fast enough. 

[-Stef-]

Ambassador looks hopeless.
I don't see good enablers for Gardens either though.

I'd open Silver/Bridge and see where it goes from there.
If my opponent want to play Ambassador, then fine, I'll take gardens.
If my opponent does something else, I'll aim for golds & provinces, with some gardens backup near the end.

[Schneau]

Ambassador looks hopeless.
I don't see good enablers for Gardens either though.

I'd open Silver/Bridge and see where it goes from there.
If my opponent want to play Ambassador, then fine, I'll take gardens.
If my opponent does something else, I'll aim for golds & provinces, with some gardens backup near the end.

So you think Bridge BM can beat the Gardens deck here? I would have assumed it would be too slow, but maybe I'm wrong.

[DG]

I ran it through the simulator and it came out pretty even (but the gardens rush was played worst by the simulator so I'm guessing it is favourite). The rush deck will probably only get 5 gardens if a bridge/BM deck wants to deny some, and that normally isn't enough to win. A rush deck can empty the hamlets and estates very quickly though so I'd give it the edge.

[Awaclus]

Ambassador looks hopeless.
I don't see good enablers for Gardens either though.

I'd open Silver/Bridge and see where it goes from there.
If my opponent want to play Ambassador, then fine, I'll take gardens.
If my opponent does something else, I'll aim for golds & provinces, with some gardens backup near the end.

So you think Bridge BM can beat the Gardens deck here? I would have assumed it would be too slow, but maybe I'm wrong.

Is Bridge/BM better than Chancellor/BM? I guess Bridge enables double Silver turns sometimes, but are those better than the cycling?

[Schneau]

Ambassador looks hopeless.
I don't see good enablers for Gardens either though.

I'd open Silver/Bridge and see where it goes from there.
If my opponent want to play Ambassador, then fine, I'll take gardens.
If my opponent does something else, I'll aim for golds & provinces, with some gardens backup near the end.

So you think Bridge BM can beat the Gardens deck here? I would have assumed it would be too slow, but maybe I'm wrong.

Is Bridge/BM better than Chancellor/BM? I guess Bridge enables double Silver turns sometimes, but are those better than the cycling?

I'm getting Bridge BM as slightly better than Chancellor BM based on their implementations in Dominiate.

[Nevermind]

I'm not a top player, but I think the slog works pretty well. Contraband, hamlet, woodcutter, and bridge work pretty good with gardens.

[Grujah]

Contraband is an liability before gardens are piled out, though.

[Joseph2302]

Contraband is an liability before gardens are piled out, though.

Really, if they name gardens here, you can just pick up 2 hamlets instead? >1 contraband is bad though, I think.

[KingZog3]

Contraband is an liability before gardens are piled out, though.

Really, if they name gardens here, you can just pick up 2 hamlets instead? >1 contraband is bad though, I think.

I might get one, but you do run the risk of not being able to buy gardens as they run out, meaning a 5-3 split for you.

[dondon151]

Really, if they name gardens here, you can just pick up 2 hamlets instead? >1 contraband is bad though, I think.

Or Province/Copper.