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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2014, 12:45:20 pm »
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Commons + X dust sounds pretty zoo-favored, since they sometimes don't run epics or legendaries even in ideal versions.
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2014, 03:31:03 pm »
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We should play DXV varietize.  For match against two players, randomly pick 30 neutral commons/basics, and 10 class commons/basics per class.  You take five minutes to build a deck of whichever class you fancy most, and choose which cards to include or exclude in your build, bo3.


It's a tad complicated, though.  What is nice about it is that it balances out the warlock class the same way arena balances out the warlock class, it (somewhat) forces the warlock class to use its subpar class cards to balance out it's abovepar hero power.


Or we can just go with the whole basic common thing.  Since the meta is expected to be aggro, we would probably get a little variety in the form of "beats aggro but loses to everything else" decks so it would be ok.
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2014, 06:08:58 pm »
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I put together a little script to do roughly the thing that popsofctown is proposing. The idea is to simulate the same card availability that you'd see in arena, but present them all to you at once. Unlike actual arena, instead of 3 cards per turn, it's 2 cards per turn, to offset the advantage of selecting cards from a pool all at once. (There's a mathematical justification behind 2, but the real test is whether it feels balanced.) Right now, the class is randomly selected, but that could be changed. Example:
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Class: Rogue

Commons (pick 25)
     1 Conceal
     1 Deadly Poison
     1 Goldshire Footman
     1 Grimscale Oracle
     1 Leper Gnome
     1 Leper Gnome
     1 Shieldbearer
     1 Sinister Strike
     1 Voodoo Doctor
     2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
     2 Amani Berserker
     2 Amani Berserker
     2 Bloodsail Raider
     2 Bluegill Warrior
     2 Defias Ringleader
     2 Defias Ringleader
     2 Dire Wolf Alpha
     2 Kobold Geomancer
     2 Loot Hoarder
     2 Novice Engineer
     2 Shiv
     3 Acolyte of Pain
     3 Ironfur Grizzly
     3 Magma Rager
     3 Razorfen Hunter
     3 Shattered Sun Cleric
     3 Thrallmar Farseer
     4 Ancient Brewmaster
     4 Chillwind Yeti
     4 Chillwind Yeti
     4 Dark Iron Dwarf
     4 Mogu'shan Warden
     4 Mogu'shan Warden
     4 Ogre Magi
     4 Sen'jin Shieldmasta
     4 Silvermoon Guardian
     4 Silvermoon Guardian
     5 Assassin's Blade
     5 Assassin's Blade
     5 Booty Bay Bodyguard
     5 Silver Hand Knight
     5 Spiteful Smith
     6 Archmage
     6 Frost Elemental
     6 Lord of the Arena
     6 Priestess of Elune
     6 Reckless Rocketeer
     6 Windfury Harpy
     7 Core Hound
     7 Stormwind Champion

Rares (pick 4)
     1 Lightwarden
     1 Secretkeeper
     2 Knife Juggler
     3 Imp Master
     3 Questing Adventurer
     3 SI:7 Agent
     5 Stampeding Kodo
     6 Argent Commander

Epics (pick 0)

Legendaries (pick 1)
     5 Captain Greenskin
     9 Ysera
The frequency of class cards feels a little low here because I don't give them special weighting, since I don't know how they are weighted in actual arena.
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2014, 06:39:58 pm »
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That looks cool. 
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2014, 07:09:00 pm »
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Fixed to use more accurate probabilities. Here's a new example, and below I'll take my best guess at picks from it.
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Class: Rogue

Common (pick 21)
     0 Shadowstep
     0 Shadowstep
     1 Abusive Sergeant
     1 Conceal
     1 Shieldbearer
     1 Southsea Deckhand
     1 Young Dragonhawk
     2 Betrayal
     2 Defias Ringleader
     2 Defias Ringleader
     2 Dire Wolf Alpha
     2 Dire Wolf Alpha
     2 Eviscerate
     2 Eviscerate
     2 Faerie Dragon
     2 Kobold Geomancer
     2 Shiv
     3 Dalaran Mage
     3 Dalaran Mage
     3 Earthen Ring Farseer
     3 Fan of Knives
     3 Flesheating Ghoul
     3 Ironforge Rifleman
     3 Shattered Sun Cleric
     3 Silverback Patriarch
     3 Tauren Warrior
     3 Tauren Warrior
     4 Chillwind Yeti
     4 Cult Master
     4 Dark Iron Dwarf
     4 Dread Corsair
     4 Dread Corsair
     4 Stormwind Knight
     5 Assassin's Blade
     5 Spiteful Smith
     5 Stormpike Commando
     5 Stranglethorn Tiger
     5 Stranglethorn Tiger
     6 Frost Elemental
     6 Lord of the Arena
     7 War Golem
     7 War Golem

Rare (pick 7)
     1 Bloodsail Corsair
     1 Lightwarden
     1 Young Priestess
     2 Ancient Watcher
     2 Crazed Alchemist
     2 Knife Juggler
     2 Mana Addict
     2 Mana Wraith
     2 Mana Wraith
     2 Pint-Sized Summoner
     2 Sunfury Protector
     4 Ancient Mage
     4 Twilight Drake
     4 Violet Teacher

Epic (pick 2)
     2 Doomsayer
     6 Kidnapper
     6 Kidnapper
    20 Molten Giant

Legendary (pick 0)

Example picks in the spoiler. Hard to know how to pick really given that the meta for this format is unknown.

Southsea Deckhand
Betrayal
Eviscerate x2
Shiv
Crazed Alchemist
Defias Ringleader x2
Faerie Dragon
Knife Juggler
Kobold Geomancer
Mana Wraith
Pint-Sized Summoner
Sunfury Protector
Fan of Knives
Earthen Ring Farseer
Flesheating Ghoul
Shattered Sun Cleric
Chillwind Yeti
Cult Master
Dark Iron Dwarf
Twilight Drake
Violet Teacher
Assassin's Blade
Stranglethorn Tiger
Frost Elemental
Kidnapper
War Golem
Molten Giant
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2014, 11:17:06 am »
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I like the format
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2014, 11:59:03 am »
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2014, 02:36:46 pm »
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Re: Isohearth I: Setup Discussion
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2014, 03:18:18 pm »
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Sounds like fun.  How much dust will I need to save up though?
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