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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1300 on: June 11, 2016, 10:37:08 am »
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I'm at the point where I'm just not picking paladin anymore.  I've had a bunch of runs where I go 6-0 against non-rogues and 0-3 against rogues.. the matchup is awful vs any reasonable deck, and people seem to have figured out that they should just be picking rogue every single run.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1301 on: June 11, 2016, 11:37:35 am »
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I'm at the point where I'm just not picking paladin anymore.  I've had a bunch of runs where I go 6-0 against non-rogues and 0-3 against rogues.. the matchup is awful vs any reasonable deck, and people seem to have figured out that they should just be picking rogue every single run.

Yeah my last Pally run, which I thought was amazing, went like 1 win because I couldn't beat rogues. My last Mage run went 12 though. I think Mage is solid, and I would even argue Shaman is better than pally because I think if you have a good curve you have a much better chance vs rogues than paladins do.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1302 on: June 11, 2016, 02:15:16 pm »
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Rogue is just ridiculously good when it has the Coin, and just kind of okay when it goes first.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1303 on: June 11, 2016, 02:53:20 pm »
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Rogue is just ridiculously good when it has the Coin, and just kind of okay ridiculously good when it goes first.

FTFY
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1304 on: June 11, 2016, 02:59:05 pm »
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Rogue is just ridiculously good when it has the Coin, and just kind of okay ridiculously good when it goes first.

FTFY

Yeah, you get tempo lead going first if you can curve out. So draft on curve, paly on curve, and Rogue just has a hard time losing.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1305 on: June 14, 2016, 04:37:49 pm »
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Currently at 11-1 with this absolutely ludicrous mage deck.  (The one loss was to a Deathwing; I so nearly won the game anyway. :(  )

Argent Squire
Mana Wyrm x2
Flamecannon
Unstable Portal
Crazed Alchemist
Fallen Hero
Haunted Creeper
Lance Carrier
Snowchugger x2
Arcane Intellect x2
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Twilight Flamecaller x2
Fireball
Armored Warhorse
Mechanical Yeti
Tomb Spider
Water Elemental
Dragon's Breath
Ethereal Conjurer
Kvaldir Raider
Spiteful Smith
Stampeding Kodo
Argent Commander
Faceless Summoner
Frost Elemental

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1306 on: June 14, 2016, 05:31:43 pm »
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You should be able to win with 2 games. That deck has a great curve, and with that kind of deck Frost elemental is basically Battlecry: Sap a minion.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1307 on: June 15, 2016, 04:19:57 am »
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You should be able to win with 2 games. That deck has a great curve, and with that kind of deck Frost elemental is basically Battlecry: Sap a minion.
Yep. 12-1.  Final boss was a warlock with a very good looking zoo deck, but the two twilight flame callers totally shut him down and I out-curved him.

The curve, as you say, was just silly, I curved out basically every game. 
Damn that death wing. I've still never gone 12-0
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M Town Wins-Losses (6-2, 75%): 71, 72, 76, 81, 83, 87 - 79, 82.  M Scum Wins-Losses (2-1, 67%): 80, 101 - 70.
RMM Town Wins-Losses (3-1, 75%): 42, 47, 49 - 31.  RMM Scum Wins-Losses (3-3, 50%): 33, 37, 43 - 29, 32, 35.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1308 on: June 25, 2016, 10:46:52 am »
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Just met a Rogue who drafted Sylvanas, Loatheb, and Gallywix. He played them pretty much back to back to which had me convinced he was cheating somehow for a minute. I lost in the late game.

Reminds me of the time I was offered a Legendary selection that included Feugan which I obviously chose against. Later in that same draft I was offered Stalaag. This convinced me that if one was offered the other was as well in the same draft. Fast forward a couple months and I get offered Stalaag and I get him thinking Feugan will follow. I was wrong.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1309 on: June 25, 2016, 01:16:45 pm »
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Just met a Rogue who drafted Sylvanas, Loatheb, and Gallywix. He played them pretty much back to back to which had me convinced he was cheating somehow for a minute. I lost in the late game.

Reminds me of the time I was offered a Legendary selection that included Feugan which I obviously chose against. Later in that same draft I was offered Stalaag. This convinced me that if one was offered the other was as well in the same draft. Fast forward a couple months and I get offered Stalaag and I get him thinking Feugan will follow. I was wrong.

I think I had a run with like 4 or 5 legendaries recently. It didn't do particularly well. On the other hand, I've gotten wrecked by Kel'Thuzad a couple of times recently.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1310 on: June 25, 2016, 01:27:26 pm »
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Reminds me of the time I was offered a Legendary selection that included Feugan which I obviously chose against. Later in that same draft I was offered Stalaag.
Feugen is a decent card on its own.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1311 on: June 28, 2016, 06:57:31 pm »
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This deck just happened. Most amazing tempo deck I've ever drafted. Not pictured, Thing from Below.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1312 on: June 28, 2016, 07:06:25 pm »
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This deck just happened. Most amazing tempo deck I've ever drafted. Not pictured, Thing from Below.

That Amgam rager though. Otherwise, this deck is not fair. 12-0.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1313 on: June 29, 2016, 04:28:56 am »
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This deck just happened. Most amazing tempo deck I've ever drafted. Not pictured, Thing from Below.

That Amgam rager though. Otherwise, this deck is not fair. 12-0.

It was a misclick :(
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1314 on: July 11, 2016, 06:12:26 am »
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Ugh.  Warrior Arena at 3-2.

I'm going second, manage to play a Clockwork Gnome and a Twisted Worgen on turns 1 and 2. 
Looking good til the opponent (also a Warrior) topdecks a Ravaging Ghoul on turn 3.

So I'm massively behind.  Claw my way slowly back to the point where I'm winning again.  Have been forced to go for the tempo lead, so my hand is 1 card and I've got 4 minions on board to his 0.  He topdecks an MC tech.

Once again I fight my way back into a winning position.  Now I have 3 good minions down to his 1 average minion.  Neither of us have cards.  He topdecks a Brawl which leaves his minion up X(
Then it's topdeck wars.  I topdeck the one 2-drop left in my deck, everything else left is 5-mana or higher. 

He topdecks an Obsidian Destroyer for the game.

That was the only game I could bring myself to play yesterday.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1315 on: July 20, 2016, 01:58:36 am »
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Got a 12 win warrior. I mean its 4-0 so far, but it can't NOT go 12.

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1316 on: July 20, 2016, 08:26:47 pm »
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Two 2-drops tho? I'm gonna guess 10-3
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1317 on: July 20, 2016, 10:57:03 pm »
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Two 2-drops tho? I'm gonna guess 10-3

Went 7, probably partly because Im pretty rusty as HS and also I think there was at least one loss from BS. On another note, my Mage run with secrets, in the three first game, had a secret stolen by Kezan Mystic. Like what....
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« Reply #1318 on: July 26, 2016, 12:26:19 am »
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Here's the warrior deck I just drafted - I think if I played it in a place with stable wi-fi I would have a good chance of getting 7+ wins, because I have 5 weapons and a pretty good curve. Heartharena gives it a 72.9, which I gather is pretty good.

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Execute
N'Zoth's First Mate
Worgen Infiltrator
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Commanding Shout
Cruel Taskmaster
2x Fiery War Axe
Gilblin Stalker
Mad Bomber
Mechwarper
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Argent Horserider
Bloodsail Cultist
2x Harvest Golem
Ogre Brute
Shield Block
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Death's Bite
Mortal Strike
Tomb Spider
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Mukla's Champion
Salty Dog
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Varian Wrynn
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1319 on: July 29, 2016, 02:20:48 am »
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72.9 is godlike. That's statistically a 12win deck.

EDIT: But I think it's adding a lot for the legends you got. You win the late game. Just gotta survive tempo plays. Weapons will do a lot, but you still need to curve out.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1320 on: July 31, 2016, 02:39:44 pm »
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I'm beginning to doubt the average score has too much impact compared to draw luck - that 72.9 deck I got 3-3 with (granted, 2 losses were from disconnect), and I just went 12-0 for the first time with a rogue deck that had an average of less than 70.

It's all about the reasonably good curve I had every game.

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Journey Below
Lowly Squire
Defias Ringleader
Dire Wolf Alpha
Mad Bomber
Sap
Ship's Cannon
Twisted Worgen
Undercity Valiant
Perdition's Blade
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1321 on: August 01, 2016, 11:59:28 am »
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2 disconnects is not just "oops 2 losses." even 1 disconnect loss could lose you a 12win run. So I think the average score is still meaningful. A good score I think is like mid-high 60's. So a less than 70deck is still very 12 win worthy.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1322 on: August 01, 2016, 03:37:10 pm »
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2 disconnects is not just "oops 2 losses." even 1 disconnect loss could lose you a 12win run. So I think the average score is still meaningful. A good score I think is like mid-high 60's. So a less than 70deck is still very 12 win worthy.

I feel like mana curve generally has more impact than average card quality score. Certainly I expect some positive correlation between deck score and win rate, but some of my best runs are typically with decks that have a score in the mid 60s.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #1323 on: August 08, 2016, 06:13:27 am »
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I played against this deck at 3-2. Granted, the curve doesn't seem amazing based on the cards I saw, but holy crap that card quality.

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« Reply #1324 on: August 08, 2016, 06:33:44 am »
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^ Dayum that's intense.
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