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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #125 on: July 26, 2014, 04:47:27 pm »
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Anyone know up-to-date and accurate probabilities and algorithm for the cards you get to pick from in arena drafting? The best I could find is this post, but it's from February and the numbers are pretty vague.

Alternatively, if I had a ton of draft data available, it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer approximate probabilities. But I don't track my drafts.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2014, 05:48:57 pm »
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Going to try out another full streamed arena run at http://www.twitch.tv/titandrake. I'll edit the VOD after it's done.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2014, 05:57:44 pm »
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Just played a really weird endgame in a Shaman vs Warlock arena match at 7 wins.

On turn 8, I'm down something like 20 health to 6, but he has no minions and almost no hand and I have a couple minions out. My hand is Alexstrasza, Unbound Elemental, Lava Burst, Stormforged Axe.

On turn 8, he plays some crappy minions. I play my Unbound and Stormforged Axe to kill them, but this puts me at 4 health, and with only 8 mana to spend next turn.

On turn 9, he plays Ysera. I manage to kill it while retaining board control and bringing him down to 11 health (thank you based Flametongue Totem), but I have to use my Lava Burst, which again leaves me with 8 mana next turn. I also played another Unbound on this turn.

On turn 10, he plays a few minions and then uses Nightmare on his Sen'jin. I can't get through it without losing my entire board, and I can't play Alexstrasza, so I play Defender of Argus, giving me two huge Unbound Elementals, and pass.

On turn 11, his Sen'jin dies to Nightmare. He topdecks Azure Drake, which draws him a Hellfire, so he wins.

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #128 on: July 27, 2014, 06:35:59 pm »
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http://arenamastery.com/VqGv

It's turn 3 of game 1 and both my Pyroblasts are in my hand

Shame I didn't take Ice Block when I had the chance

Edit: Turn 8 Cone of Cold -> Turn 9 Cone of Cold -> Opponent concedes
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #129 on: July 27, 2014, 07:20:39 pm »
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ffff I'm an idiot

It was turn 9 and I had a Pyroblast in hand, so I played Fireball + Frostbolt + ping to bring my opponent down to 10 health

But then he played Darkscale Healer... and I lost like 6 turns later.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #130 on: July 27, 2014, 07:53:31 pm »
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #131 on: July 27, 2014, 09:06:30 pm »
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Well, that run was godly.

http://www.twitch.tv/titandrake/b/551885761

Really, really nice draft. Solid creatures, good board clear, had the option of doing lots of damage from the hand...probably could have been 12 wins if I had played it better. Unfortunately, it was not to be.

The above run is pretty long, so I'm highlighting this game in particular. http://www.twitch.tv/titandrake/c/4760969
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2014, 03:00:32 pm »
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So I'm at 9-0 with this deck: http://arenamastery.com/73hA

I thought it was good, but not THAT good - three Fire Elementals is good, obviously, but only one Hex, only one Axe, and no cards with the word "Lightning."

I've ended up winning a lot of games by bursting down my opponent from 15+ health; twice with Bloodlust, and three times with Flametongue + Windspeaker on one of my big bodies (Fire Ele, Frostwolf Warlord). The Nerubian Egg has found some use, too. Mostly with Flametongue Totem, and it soaked up a Holy Nova once.



Edit: 11-3 :( I hate Flamestrike
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #133 on: July 29, 2014, 06:25:21 pm »
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Anyone know up-to-date and accurate probabilities and algorithm for the cards you get to pick from in arena drafting? The best I could find is this post, but it's from February and the numbers are pretty vague.

Alternatively, if I had a ton of draft data available, it would be pretty easy to reverse engineer approximate probabilities. But I don't track my drafts.
There's this but I don't know how reliable it is: http://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/2aquyq/hypothesis_arena_card_generation/
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #134 on: August 02, 2014, 04:43:57 pm »
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Shaman, P1P1:

Big Game Hunter, Sea Giant, Doomhammer?
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #135 on: August 02, 2014, 05:44:44 pm »
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I think Sea Giant is #1 Epic in arena for Shaman. Earth Elemental is close, then Doomhammer, then BGH.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #136 on: August 02, 2014, 05:53:20 pm »
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Went for Sea Giant already.
Going 5-0 so far, haven't seen Sea Giant once I think :P Bloodlust, however..

Had the weirdest game, tho.
vs Mage.
T1: Mirror Image
T2: ShieldBearer
T3. Draw 2.
T4: +8 armor secret.
T5: Ping a 2/1, Vaporize
T6: I THINK Draw 2 again, 2/3 guy.. or ping.. something weird anyway.

It seemed to me that the whole day is "try to survive, draw multiple flamestrikes, and win randomly".
I've just played Flamestrike surviving guys (tho he didn't ACTUALLY play any flamestrike) and it was easy-peasy, as expected.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2014, 11:47:50 am »
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Just had a surprisingly good run with this priest: http://arenamastery.com/xky1
I didn't think it would do very good due to the lack of 2-drops, but got to 10 wins anyway.
Playing priest is just so fun sometimes, they have really cool cards that make for such interesting play decisions. Also, Flamestriking Mages is just about the most satisfying thing to do.
The last game was definitely remarkable as well: I played against a Miracle Rogue. He played Gadgetzan, Backstabed my Minion, Deadly Poisoned, and on the next turn sapped the minion i played to kill his Gadgetzan.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #138 on: August 05, 2014, 04:31:33 pm »
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I came back and won this game even after this stroke of bad luck:

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #139 on: August 05, 2014, 04:44:04 pm »
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Trade whelp for hoarder, sw: death the dragon, trade 3 whelks for mc tech, drop ogre?
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #140 on: August 05, 2014, 04:44:37 pm »
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Correct.  Having that SW:D saved me from lethal since he had a Fireball in his hand.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #141 on: August 05, 2014, 11:04:03 pm »
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OK ok ok ok, Here's my deck so far:
http://www.arenamastery.com/draft.php?arena=324133 ( don't know if that works while I'm still drafting it)

and I have a legendary for my last pick.  Which one: Malygos, Ysera, or Gruul?

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #142 on: August 05, 2014, 11:24:53 pm »
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OK ok ok ok, Here's my deck so far:
http://www.arenamastery.com/draft.php?arena=324133 ( don't know if that works while I'm still drafting it)

and I have a legendary for my last pick.  Which one: Malygos, Ysera, or Gruul?

Doesn't work. What class? I'd go with ysera, since Gruul and Malygos are not great normally.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #143 on: August 06, 2014, 12:26:11 am »
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Definitely Ysera, just coming from a noob perspective.  She has destroyed me so many times, and without even needing to use the 4 attack...
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2014, 06:47:11 am »
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OK ok ok ok, Here's my deck so far:
http://www.arenamastery.com/draft.php?arena=324133 ( don't know if that works while I'm still drafting it)

and I have a legendary for my last pick.  Which one: Malygos, Ysera, or Gruul?

Doesn't work. What class? I'd go with ysera, since Gruul and Malygos are not great normally.
Rogue. If I had known how many spells I would see and also get malygos, I could have done something cool. But oh well. I cab post the whole deck later

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« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2014, 04:42:20 pm »
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I chose Ysera.  Here's the final draft
http://arenamastery.com/6kuh

I think it might be OK, but the curve feels a little high to me. 

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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2014, 04:44:46 pm »
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oh man that pick 14

I'm slightly concerned about your relative lack of 3/2's on Turn 2; that might lead to you getting blown out in a few games if you have bad mulligan luck.
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2014, 04:50:52 pm »
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3 backstabs certainly make malygos better.. I'm not sure what'd I'd pick knowing that
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Re: Arena General Discussion
« Reply #148 on: August 06, 2014, 04:52:22 pm »
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oh man that pick 14

I'm slightly concerned about your relative lack of 3/2's on Turn 2; that might lead to you getting blown out in a few games if you have bad mulligan luck.
yeah, I really didn't know what to pick there.  I figured minion was the best.

3 backstabs certainly make malygos better.. I'm not sure what'd I'd pick knowing that
right.  I only had 4 spells in total though...
And I tend to use backstabs pretty early

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« Reply #149 on: August 06, 2014, 05:45:10 pm »
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Ughhhh... I lost my last game because I'm stupid.  I forgot backstab doesn't hit damaged minions.  He had 2 health, a 1/1 token with taunt and a 3/1 wild pyromancer w/ taunt.  And I knifed the token then couldn't backstab the pyromancer... and i had a 3/1 on the board.  ugh.  always remember slow play
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