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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #900 on: March 03, 2016, 06:21:02 pm »
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Yesterday I was watching somebody learning Oil Rogue, and they were greatly frustrated by not being able to predict the offbeat decks they were playing against.  I thought I'd give it a try in sympathy, and in my first ever game a Priest hit me in the face for 20 with a Deathlord on T5.

At what rank are you trying this deck? At low ranks decks are unpredictable. It's a lot more diverse, but at the same time it may not be the best way to learn to play a deck. It is a good way to learn how to predict decks though :P

It's season reset, so it doesn't make much difference, but it was rank 15.  What you say is exactly why the stream was so funny, as the poor guy just wanted to practice for tournaments and he kept losing to random nonsense like Mountain Giant Zoo.
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« Reply #901 on: March 04, 2016, 12:01:40 am »
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I opened Wilfred Fizzlebang today. I'm hoping that in standard decks are slow enough that he can be used, even in a fun deck. I now have all the legends for Druid, Warlock, Shaman and Warrior. Granted, I crafted a bunch of the legends, but still have a complete legend set for those classes.
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« Reply #902 on: March 04, 2016, 11:26:39 pm »
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Ooh, I just opened Alexstrasza (thank you, Watch and Learn)! Just in time for the Standard balance changes in case Alex gets nerfed.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #903 on: March 05, 2016, 03:32:50 am »
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Holy shit this is in a real ranked match:



In case you don't want to watch, the basics:  double Cho, double Deathlord, Divine Spirits back and forth causes ridiculously high HP on every minion on the field.  The opposing mage puts down a Flamewaker and starts doing ~8 damage a turn, which threatens to kill the priest by adding to fatigue damage... so this guy kills the Flamewaker by integer overflow.  It turns out 2^31 health rolls over to -2^31 - 1.

It's a troll deck, but it might be fun to try out...
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #904 on: March 05, 2016, 09:24:26 am »
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We'll apparently be hearing about the next expansion next Friday.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #905 on: March 05, 2016, 02:20:08 pm »
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #906 on: March 05, 2016, 04:02:34 pm »
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #907 on: March 05, 2016, 04:12:57 pm »
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Pretty lame that when Dragons of Tarkir in MTG came out, HS done Blackrock. Now when Eldrich Moon comes out in MTG, HS is apparently also doing some eldrich horror.. coincidence?
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #908 on: March 05, 2016, 04:29:26 pm »
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Pretty lame that when Dragons of Tarkir in MTG came out, HS done Blackrock. Now when Eldrich Moon comes out in MTG, HS is apparently also doing some eldrich horror.. coincidence?

Just trying to compete. I don't really care, to be honest. It's still Warcraft Lore, it's still cool. If it's a fun expansion, I don't care how it's themed really.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #909 on: March 08, 2016, 08:20:52 am »
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I'm looking to crowdsource some help on my Beast Druid.  It's never going to be super awesome, but I'm hoping it'll play okay in standard when it comes out (depending on balance changes).  Here's how it looks currently, followed by a few questions:

Innervate x2
Living Roots
Wrath x2
Dire Wolf Alpha x2
Huge Toad x2
Savage Roar
Druid of the Flame x2
King Mukla
Mounted Raptor x2
Swipe x2
Keeper of the Grove x2
Savage Combatant x2
Wildwalker x2
Druid of the Claw x2
Druid of the Fang x2
Force of Nature
Knight of the Wild x2

The point of the deck is to abuse DotF and KotW as best as possible, getting them out early (T 3-5) as big bodies.  This isn't about long games, generally, so if we have more than 10 turns and it isn't decided, generally we lose. 

Current questions:

--should I add 1 drops?  All beasts suck anyway, and I'm always looking to Innervate/Coin early anyway.
--should I replace Dire Wolf Alphas with something bigger/better?
--is there a better 3-drop beast than Huge Toad?
--should I run Defenders of Argus?

Possible 2-drops: Mark of the Wild (to add taunt/survivability), Power of the Wild (for flexibility or 3/2 beast), Druid of the Saber (for more beast options), Jeweled Scarabs (I ran one for curve smoothing, but while it can find you a nice card, it's not a great T2 play), Novice Engineer (for draw?), River Croc (2/3 can arguable survive more than all the 2 health minions in this deck), Sunfury Protector (to taunt up with a body)

Possible 3-drops: Another Roar, Acolyte of Pain (for draw?), Emperor Cobra (for removal), Ironfur Grizzly, Jungle Panther, Razorfen Hunter (comes with a beast pet)

Any advice is appreciated.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #910 on: March 08, 2016, 10:52:32 am »
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Do you find Knight of the Wild that useful? I tried a Beast Druid deck and thought they were the biggest liability because I could never get them out very early.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #911 on: March 08, 2016, 11:59:08 am »
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Also note that Druid of the Fang will not be in Standard mode because it's  a part of GvG. There may be some new beast synergy cards in the new expansion, I'm sure there will be, but you should keep in mind that you're losing one of the big draws to Beast Druid, the 5 mana 7/7.

Personally I'd leave out Force/Savage just because Beast Druid doesn't win on combos. I think it wins basically on being able to get big minions out fast due to beast synergies. That's not strong in this meta, but possibly in Standard with new beast synergies it could work. Basically beasts innervate out more beasts.

EDIT: Maybe put in Defender of Argus or Sunfury Protector. So you can taunt up the DotF and Knight of the Wild.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #912 on: March 08, 2016, 12:10:56 pm »
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I also think you're going to have trouble when you run out of cards there's almost no card draw and Innervate is kindof like anti-card draw. I think you could use either Azure Drakes or Ancients of Lore to help this deck out.

I think Power of the Wild might be better than Dire Wolves also, when you want to buff your cards it does it better and when you just want to play a 2 drop minion onto an empty board it does that better too.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #913 on: March 08, 2016, 12:21:12 pm »
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Also, King Mukla I feel is more of an aggro card. Get a big body and your opponent can't afford the mana to use bananas by the time you get more value from Mukla. In a slow deck I think it's not as good.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #914 on: March 08, 2016, 12:50:08 pm »
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I find Knight pretty strong...it has the same as issue as Eadric in that in needs to be in your hand early to start costing less, but I've generally been playing it as a 3 or 4 mana 6/6.

Good point of PotW.

I wasn't originally running the combo, but it still works occasionally.

I like Mukla because I'm trying to play it fast.  Late game it's a dead card.

And I forgot I'd be losing Fang.  We will see if anything can replace it.  Malorne is a beast, but blech.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #915 on: March 08, 2016, 03:37:07 pm »
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And I forgot I'd be losing Fang.  We will see if anything can replace it.  Malorne is a beast, but blech.

I got as far as making and testing a Standard-legal Beast combo list before realising that with no Druid of the Fang the beast synergy becomes essentially invisible, and you have no upside over a standard Midrange list.

To the previous suggestions I'll add that you should consider running both Savage Roars, even if you don't want the second full combo.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #916 on: March 08, 2016, 03:48:15 pm »
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http://blizz.ly/RECIPES

Sounds pretty great for new players.
Hopefully it actually suggests like Loot Hoarder as Thalnos replacement and not Amani.
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« Reply #917 on: March 08, 2016, 04:17:10 pm »
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http://blizz.ly/RECIPES

Sounds pretty great for new players.
Hopefully it actually suggests like Loot Hoarder as Thalnos replacement and not Amani.

Heh, it could almost get away with suggesting the Haunted Creeper staple if hypothetically Creeper was Standard legal. I should at least offer like Kobold or some other draw or spell power card/minion.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #918 on: March 08, 2016, 04:38:16 pm »
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http://blizz.ly/RECIPES

Sounds pretty great for new players.
Hopefully it actually suggests like Loot Hoarder as Thalnos replacement and not Amani.

Heh, it could almost get away with suggesting the Haunted Creeper staple if hypothetically Creeper was Standard legal. I should at least offer like Kobold or some other draw or spell power card/minion.

Or even always suggest Earthen Ring Farseer as a sub for absolutely any card in Rogue, which is a very good approximation of what top Rogue players will do when asked.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #920 on: March 11, 2016, 05:23:12 am »
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http://blizz.ly/RECIPES

Sounds pretty great for new players.
Hopefully it actually suggests like Loot Hoarder as Thalnos replacement and not Amani.
I actually think it's OK for it not to be 100% fine tuned. For a new player the difference is probably not going to be noticeable among the inevitable misplays. And it gives them something to learn.

When they realise: "this card doesn't work, whuchoo talkin bout blizzard? This card instead." Then there's a feeling of development which is great for new players.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #921 on: March 11, 2016, 12:27:02 pm »
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« Reply #922 on: March 11, 2016, 01:09:14 pm »
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #923 on: March 11, 2016, 01:12:10 pm »
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First minion: Corrupted Hoarder 4 mana 4/2, Deathrattle: Draw a card. Not sure if serious.
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« Reply #924 on: March 11, 2016, 01:32:01 pm »
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First minion: Corrupted Hoarder 4 mana 4/2, Deathrattle: Draw a card. Not sure if serious.

Corrupted Dragonhawk
3 mana 3/2
Windfury

Corrupted Squire
3 mana 3/2
Divine Shield

Corrupted Engineer
4 mana 3/2
Battlecry: Draw a card

Corrupted Wolf Alpha
4 mana 4/3
Minions on each side of this Minion have +1 attack
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