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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #275 on: October 23, 2014, 07:02:06 pm »
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No there is no point having a pure bot since you can't trade anything. People have to have the bot grind in their actual account.
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« Reply #276 on: October 23, 2014, 08:52:54 pm »
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I finally made Legend, with the Control Warrior deck I posted a few posts back. The matchup stats are pretty interesting. From rank 4 to legend, the deck went 42-22 breaking down as:
12-8 hunter
10-0 shaman
1-8 control warrior
5-1 zoolock
4-2 priest
2-2 handlock
2-1 miracle
5-0 other

Basically the deck did it's job of stomping down Hunter, Shaman, and Zoo (27-9, 75%) while being horrible vs more greedy Control Warrior decks (1-8, 11%). I think it should also be an underdog to Priest (though less so than other Control Warriors would be) and slightly to Handlock, but I was fortunate enough to be able to go 50%+ in those matchups.

I'm shocked at how under represented Mage and Druid are here. I don't play them exclusively, but my Watcher Druid and Secret Mage decks are my favourites. I still see a lot of Secret Mage at my level and some Token/Ramp Druid, are these not played at high level any more?
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« Reply #277 on: October 23, 2014, 09:07:13 pm »
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They don't hover over cards in their hand before playing them and all moves have the same amount of time between them.
This, weird arrows (pointing their arrow at hero power is common), no emotes, and golden shaman or warlock zoo, are all indicators. I've played vs bots that hover cards in their hand, but in such a bizarre un-human-like way that it's obvious they are bots.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #278 on: October 23, 2014, 09:27:53 pm »
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wait, there are bots that play hearthstone?
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« Reply #279 on: October 23, 2014, 11:19:57 pm »
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I'm shocked at how under represented Mage and Druid are here. I don't play them exclusively, but my Watcher Druid and Secret Mage decks are my favourites. I still see a lot of Secret Mage at my level and some Token/Ramp Druid, are these not played at high level any more?

There is an article on LiquidHearth using data from hearthstats.net users with breakdown of the percentage of each class played at various level tiers (among heathstats users). Mage and Druid are more common at lower levels and Hunter is more common at higher levels. Note of course that this is not a random sample.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #280 on: October 23, 2014, 11:58:34 pm »
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OK, so playing this hunter deck, in the space of about 15 games my Webspinners have given me Krush 3 times and Mukla once.  I think I have used up all my luck for the month.
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« Reply #281 on: October 24, 2014, 10:32:42 am »
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OK, so playing this hunter deck, in the space of about 15 games my Webspinners have given me Krush 3 times and Mukla once.  I think I have used up all my luck for the month.

But have they given you The Beast yet? (I've gotten all three, but I'm always disappointed I didn't get a third Highmane, which has only happened once.)
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« Reply #282 on: October 25, 2014, 12:40:31 am »
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OK, so playing this hunter deck, in the space of about 15 games my Webspinners have given me Krush 3 times and Mukla once.  I think I have used up all my luck for the month.

But have they given you The Beast yet? (I've gotten all three, but I'm always disappointed I didn't get a third Highmane, which has only happened once.)

I get Mukla the most, the Krush, and The Beast just once.  I got a third Highmane once as well.  I feel like Hungry Crab is too often the prize.

The worst is another web spinner, though.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #283 on: October 25, 2014, 12:48:30 am »
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The worst is another web spinner, though.
How is that the worst? Any card that you would willingly put into your deck is good.
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« Reply #284 on: October 25, 2014, 01:07:01 am »
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The worst is another web spinner, though.
How is that the worst? Any card that you would willingly put into your deck is good.

Not literally, obviously.  But it's annoying.  You want something better, and on curve.  Another 1 mana lottery ticket token is a delay I don't need.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #285 on: October 25, 2014, 01:27:40 am »
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The worst is another web spinner, though.
How is that the worst? Any card that you would willingly put into your deck is good.

Not literally, obviously.  But it's annoying.  You want something better, and on curve.  Another 1 mana lottery ticket token is a delay I don't need.

Sure, but it's also better than Chicken, Crab, Dragonhawk, Boar, or Parrot.
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« Reply #286 on: October 25, 2014, 01:43:36 am »
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The worst is another web spinner, though.
How is that the worst? Any card that you would willingly put into your deck is good.

Not literally, obviously.  But it's annoying.  You want something better, and on curve.  Another 1 mana lottery ticket token is a delay I don't need.

Sure, but it's also better than Chicken, Crab, Dragonhawk, Boar, or Parrot.

as well as The Beast, Core Hound, Silverback, Timberwolf, Pather, Rhino, Grizzly, King Krush...
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #287 on: October 25, 2014, 10:43:26 am »
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The worst is another web spinner, though.
How is that the worst? Any card that you would willingly put into your deck is good.

Not literally, obviously.  But it's annoying.  You want something better, and on curve.  Another 1 mana lottery ticket token is a delay I don't need.

Sure, but it's also better than Chicken, Crab, Dragonhawk, Boar, or Parrot.

as well as The Beast, Core Hound, Silverback, Timberwolf, Pather, Rhino, Grizzly, King Krush...

Timberwolf should be okay in a deck that runs Snake Trap. Grizzly isn't great, but can help boost Scavenging Hyena. But yeah another Webspinner can boost Undertaker or something.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #288 on: November 10, 2014, 11:22:56 am »
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So, I'm considering dusting all my spare golden cards to craft a Legendary.  Question is, which one?  My playstyle is to have fast games, lots of aggro/face.  I'm not patient enough for control, plus my time to play is limited and I prefer quantity when I can get it. 

List of choices:
Cenarius
Archmage Antonidas
Tirion Fordring
Prophet Velen
Edwin Van Cleef
Al'Akir
Lord Jaraxxus
Grommash
Bloodmage Thalnos
Lorewalker Cho
Millhouse Manastorm
Nat Pagle
Tinkmaster Overspark
Elite Tauren Chieftain
Harrison Jones
Gelbin Mekkatorque
Hogger
Illidan Stormrage
Sylvanas Windrunner
The Beast
The Black Knight
Baron Geddon
Gruul
Ragnaros the Firelord
Malygos
Nozdormu
Onyxia
Ysera
Deathwing
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #289 on: November 10, 2014, 11:45:17 am »
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So, I'm considering dusting all my spare golden cards to craft a Legendary.  Question is, which one?  My playstyle is to have fast games, lots of aggro/face.  I'm not patient enough for control, plus my time to play is limited and I prefer quantity when I can get it. 



If you want fast games, legendaries, or at least most of them, don't help. Most are control cards.

This would be my list of your actual choices.

List of choices:
Grommash
Bloodmage Thalnos
The Black Knight

I took out the silly ones, but of course you can carft the silly ones if you want to have some fun.

EDIT: Even Thalnos isn't great in aggro. Really aggro doesn't need legendaries. Zoo doesn't run any, aggro Paladin doesn't (and it kind of sucks), aggro wairrior could run Grommash, but also not a great deck. TBK is really good now because of all the sludge belchers.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #290 on: November 10, 2014, 12:49:18 pm »
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For an aggro deck, none of those legendaries really helps you. If you're interested in Token Druid I'd pick Cenarius or Black Knight, otherwise I'd save your dust for new expansion.
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« Reply #291 on: November 10, 2014, 06:27:59 pm »
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The top aggro-y decks currently (zoo and hunter) tend not to run craftable legendaries, as stated. If Backspace Rogue ever makes a comeback, King Mukla is important there, but Mukla is not on your list so I assume you have it already. Leeroy is still good for face decks but also not on your list.
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« Reply #292 on: November 10, 2014, 07:03:52 pm »
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Thanks for all the advice.  Makes sense.  Maybe an expansion legendary or many other cards will be worth the dust.
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« Reply #293 on: November 10, 2014, 07:15:11 pm »
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Thanks for all the advice.  Makes sense.  Maybe an expansion legendary or many other cards will be worth the dust.

I realise you want to play more games, but control decks are where it's at. Sure aggro is ok, Hunter does well, but I haven't seen much zoo lately and even Hunter isn't super popular.
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« Reply #294 on: November 11, 2014, 12:29:03 am »
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There's also midrange/tempo decks. You don't have to play facerush to play fast.
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« Reply #295 on: November 22, 2014, 03:22:25 pm »
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I have made a silly Ooze Rogue deck. I don't think it's very competetive, but man when it works it is so much fun. The secret is you bounce oozes back into your hand to make an endless army of buffed oozes.

Key cards:
Ooze
Shadowstep
Brewmasters
Anubar Ambushers
Defender of Argus
SSC
Cold Blood
Knife Jugglers
Vanish

Aside from that I just filled it with good early game rogue cards plus a Gadgetzan and a Sprint for draw. The most fun I had was playing it against a Coldlight Rogue who tried to mill me to death and Vanished my Ooze army twice giving me an endless stream of Ooze to overwhelm her with.
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« Reply #296 on: November 22, 2014, 05:46:32 pm »
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I'm messing with a rogue stealth-charge deck.  It can be neat, but probably is too weak.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #297 on: November 26, 2014, 02:45:41 am »
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So I got this deck in arena and it's working nicely -- and it's fun.  I was wondering if you could work something similar in constructed...

Paladin Arena:

Avenge x3
Blessing of Might
Leper Gnome x2
Equality
Argent Protector
Mad Bomber
Mad Scientist
Unstable Ghoul
Demolisher
Harvest Golem
Raging Worgen
Scarlet Crusader x2
Truesilver Champion
Consecration x3
Hammer of Wrath
Chillwind Yeti
Defender of Argus
Gnomish Inventor
Spellbreaker
Wailing Soul
Stranglethorn Tiger
Frost Elemental
Lord of the Arena
Tirion Fordring


Obviously you'd swap some stuff out for sensibility/rules -- things like Wailing Soul and Mad Bomber are clearly there for curve, I'd switch in an Owl for the Spellbreaker, probably make some sense of all the three drops (add a Golem, drop a Demolisher, etc.), but otherwise seems like you could form something out of this.

Is this something?  Or am I crazy?
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« Reply #298 on: November 26, 2014, 10:03:25 am »
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It just seems like lots of minions and some Avenges + the usual Paladin stuff like Truesilver and consecration. I don't know what seems so amazing about it. There are decks that try to use Avenge, and they are alright. But Avenge is usually easy to deal with and not very strong in constructed.
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« Reply #299 on: December 15, 2014, 02:29:29 pm »
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I drafted a Shadowform in a Priest Arena game and it won me every game I got it early in. Is it viable in Constructed? I have two of them, but don't have a lot of the other priest Rare/Epics.
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