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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #950 on: April 30, 2016, 03:36:01 am »
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Zoolock doesn't really need all that much burst. It's not a face deck.
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« Reply #951 on: April 30, 2016, 04:58:47 am »
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True, but from what I've seen, this new incarnation has some issues closing out games.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #952 on: April 30, 2016, 05:41:10 am »
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Zoolock is insane. I'm running a list similar to the one Kripp showed in a video. The tempo sea giants, Volcanic drake and constant minion spam mean that without AoE, which a lot of decks don't run too much of, you win so fast its crazy.

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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #953 on: April 30, 2016, 05:43:54 am »
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Cthun decks all look like crap to me OTOH. You play River Crocs, Spider Tanks and Yetis and.. a giant bomb to finish it off? Wow, so not impressed.

I suspect some classes have it better than others with respect to C'thun.  Druid and Priest have insane C'Thun synergy, while Paladin and Shaman have nothing.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #954 on: April 30, 2016, 05:46:36 am »
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Zoolock is insane. I'm running a list similar to the one Kripp showed in a video. The tempo sea giants, Volcanic drake and constant minion spam mean that without AoE, which a lot of decks don't run too much of, you win so fast its crazy.

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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #955 on: April 30, 2016, 05:50:21 am »
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Cthun decks all look like crap to me OTOH. You play River Crocs, Spider Tanks and Yetis and.. a giant bomb to finish it off? Wow, so not impressed.

I suspect some classes have it better than others with respect to C'thun.  Druid and Priest have insane C'Thun synergy, while Paladin and Shaman have nothing.

I am talking about Druid and Priest and Warriors, as those are classes that run it. Still pretty much horrible IMHO. I don't really see "insane synergy", I see vanilla drops and a bomb that is less impressive as it often struggles to finish off opponent.

Here is Kripp's video:

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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #956 on: April 30, 2016, 06:10:12 am »
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Ah, I think I faced something similar to this the other day.  Brann + Reliquary Seeker was... impressive.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #957 on: April 30, 2016, 09:19:25 am »
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Ah, I think I faced something similar to this the other day.  Brann + Reliquary Seeker was... impressive.

Oh yeah I've pulled that off before Standard hit. Reliquary Seeker is a good example of why Dark Peddler is so good.

Also man Gormok is having a field day with Forbidden Ritual (the tentacle spam card). I immediately recognized the potential of Darkshire Councilman and Implosion 2.0. The Zoolock decks I've seen so far have been formidable. I don't know if they all run Doomguard, but they usually run Power Overwhelming.
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« Reply #958 on: April 30, 2016, 11:50:04 am »
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Ah, I think I faced something similar to this the other day.  Brann + Reliquary Seeker was... impressive.

Oh yeah I've pulled that off before Standard hit. Reliquary Seeker is a good example of why Dark Peddler is so good.

Also man Gormok is having a field day with Forbidden Ritual (the tentacle spam card). I immediately recognized the potential of Darkshire Councilman and Implosion 2.0. The Zoolock decks I've seen so far have been formidable. I don't know if they all run Doomguard, but they usually run Power Overwhelming.

I have Brann in the deck, but have not been impressed to be honest. He hasn't really hit any important battlecries. I do run 2 sea giants, 1 volcanic drake, 1 cult master, 2 knife juggler. You lose to AoE, but many times you just spam more minions so fast that they need a second clear very soon, and if you have board, you get to play your big minions or make crazy tempo turns with Drake and Forbidden Ritual.
I also don't have Gormok, but might craft him for the deck.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #959 on: April 30, 2016, 11:59:13 am »
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Gormok is unreal. You just pretty much win if you can play him.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #960 on: April 30, 2016, 02:46:38 pm »
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Well, I've now gone 0-4 with that Zoo deck.  It just dies to aggro so hard.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #961 on: April 30, 2016, 03:03:01 pm »
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Well, I've now gone 0-4 with that Zoo deck.  It just dies to aggro so hard.
After plummeting to rank 14 using a bunch of experimental decks I then climbed back up to 9 in an uninterrupted streak with that list.  But people are teching against it now I think.  Struggling a lot more.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #962 on: April 30, 2016, 03:20:10 pm »
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Well, I've now gone 0-4 with that Zoo deck.  It just dies to aggro so hard.
After plummeting to rank 14 using a bunch of experimental decks I then climbed back up to 9 in an uninterrupted streak with that list.  But people are teching against it now I think.  Struggling a lot more.

Well, I immediately got a couple wins after posting that.

Nonetheless, I can't help wondering if part of the issue is that the meta at rank 10 is different from the meta where I am at 18/19.

Edit:  Also, I think now everyone knows about COuncilman.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #963 on: April 30, 2016, 05:22:27 pm »
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I love it when Counterspell triggers on Map to the Golden Monkey.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #964 on: April 30, 2016, 05:32:58 pm »
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I've played a little bit of Zoo with success, but I don't particularly like Kripp's list.  Mortal Coil and Cult Master don't fit, as you're not short of ways to push damage or card draw.  Volcanic Drake dies much too easily, and Sea Giant is already taking advantage of cases when you have a large board.  I don't like Horserider either, and am not sure about the Egg.

I've had a lot of success with Tempo Mage.  I'm playing this minus one MC for Sylvanas, and with Arcane Explosion on a stick in place of Forbidden Flame because I don't have it, though I'm not happy with that sub.  Faceless Summoner is amazing, and MC is surprisingly good, although it might not be in the best version of the list.  The 3/2 with spell damage makes Arcane Blast incredibly consistent.

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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #965 on: April 30, 2016, 07:25:17 pm »
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I am running:
Ramp Druid
Never More High (Token Druid)
Malygos Rogue
Yagg Rogue (which is Malygos rogue, but with Yagg instead, everything else is the same).

Yagg is.. interesting, to say at least. You don't have to save spells to make use of him like with Maly, but sometimes he'll summon 6 animal companions and sometimes he'll just sheep himself and fizzle on almost everyhing else. He usually does some face damage tho.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #966 on: May 01, 2016, 04:55:07 am »
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I played the Tempo Mage yesterday against a streamer yesterday and learnt something about Yogg, which I'll spoilerify for the unlikely event you want to watch it.  If Sylvanas steals Yogg then he starts casting spells for the opponent!
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #967 on: May 03, 2016, 03:12:03 pm »
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Why is everyone running Flame Juggler all of a sudden?  Did I miss a memo somewhere?
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« Reply #968 on: May 03, 2016, 10:19:00 pm »
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Why is everyone running Flame Juggler all of a sudden?  Did I miss a memo somewhere?

What else you going to run for 2 mana?
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« Reply #969 on: May 03, 2016, 10:32:54 pm »
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Why is everyone running Flame Juggler all of a sudden?  Did I miss a memo somewhere?

What else you going to run for 2 mana?

It's a solid enough pick for any deck that hopes to snowball early on and doesn't have better class-specific options. If it wasn't for Museum Curator I wouldn't be surprised to see Control Priest run it.

I think it was already seeing some use before WotOG, but I could be wrong there.
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« Reply #970 on: May 04, 2016, 03:58:09 am »
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Why is everyone running Flame Juggler all of a sudden?  Did I miss a memo somewhere?

Flame Juggler first appeared in Aggro Shaman after LoE came out.  Shaman has less burn than Hunter, so Aggro Shaman needs to keep the board longer than Face Hunter and the higher health Flame Jugger is better than Knife Juggler for that plan.  It turns out that Flame Juggler is actually just good, so it's become a reasonable choice of 2-drop for a lot of decks (against a very weak field).
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« Reply #971 on: May 04, 2016, 04:04:50 am »
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Why is everyone running Flame Juggler all of a sudden?  Did I miss a memo somewhere?

Flame Juggler first appeared in Aggro Shaman after LoE came out.  Shaman has less burn than Hunter, so Aggro Shaman needs to keep the board longer than Face Hunter and the higher health Flame Jugger is better than Knife Juggler for that plan.  It turns out that Flame Juggler is actually just good, so it's become a reasonable choice of 2-drop for a lot of decks (against a very weak field).
Flame Juggler is so painful sometimes.  It sucks that you can occasionally just win on the back of a turn 1/2 coinflip.  This is usually only going to happen in Arena, but it does happen in constructed occasionally.
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« Reply #972 on: May 16, 2016, 08:48:55 pm »
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I've been having lots of success with Dog's druid list.  It looks (and is) about the greediest deck possible, but I've done reasonably well in every matchup other than miracle.. and that may just be me not playing well, I'm not sure.

http://imgur.com/SGAXetW ,   plus a Ysera, Y'shaarj, and Yogg-Saron that didn't fit into the picture.
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« Reply #973 on: May 16, 2016, 09:08:48 pm »
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I've been having lots of success with Dog's druid list.  It looks (and is) about the greediest deck possible, but I've done reasonably well in every matchup other than miracle.. and that may just be me not playing well, I'm not sure.

http://imgur.com/SGAXetW ,   plus a Ysera, Y'shaarj, and Yogg-Saron that didn't fit into the picture.

He's being modest -- he hit top 50 legendary with this deck! You guys should try it out if you want to climb and have the cards.
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« Reply #974 on: May 17, 2016, 02:11:13 am »
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I've been having lots of success with Dog's druid list.  It looks (and is) about the greediest deck possible, but I've done reasonably well in every matchup other than miracle.. and that may just be me not playing well, I'm not sure.

http://imgur.com/SGAXetW ,   plus a Ysera, Y'shaarj, and Yogg-Saron that didn't fit into the picture.

He's being modest -- he hit top 50 legendary with this deck! You guys should try it out if you want to climb and have the cards.

Man, I only need to craft like 5 legendaries...
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