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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2014, 02:42:08 am »
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Coldlight Oracle is a staple of the Backspace Rogue deck, which is ultra-aggressive and low-curve, relying on the Oracle to draw cards when it runs out. Oracle sometimes shows up in Miracle too to help vs Handlock.

The thing about Oracle is that it's only good if your deck spends cards much faster than your opponent's. If your deck and your opponent's deck spend cards at similar speeds, then the draw helps you both about equally, and meanwhile you spent 3 mana on a 2/2, so you're behind. For example, in a Backspace mirror, you really don't want to be the first to play Oracle if you can avoid it.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2014, 09:23:18 am »
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I feel like defender of argus is a key card I don't have...
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2014, 09:45:33 am »
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Bonus (beyond doing 1 damage)
Mortal Coil: Draw a card.
Elven Archer: Put a 1/1 on the board.
Note: Coil's bonus is basically Warlock's hero power, and Archer's bonus basically Paladin's hero power. Warlock's hero power is better, but since you're playing Warlock, you already have access to it.
Edge: About even.

I feel like this is hugely advantageous in Coil's favor.  For example, Murloc Tidehunter is a 2/1 but if you swapped its power from "Summon a 1/1" to "Battlecry: draw a card" it loses an attack and turns into Novice Engineer.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #103 on: July 27, 2014, 09:45:51 am »
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I feel like defender of argus is a key card I don't have...
If you plan on playing zoo, yeah, you need Defender of Argus.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #104 on: July 27, 2014, 10:31:06 am »
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Bonus (beyond doing 1 damage)
Mortal Coil: Draw a card.
Elven Archer: Put a 1/1 on the board.
Note: Coil's bonus is basically Warlock's hero power, and Archer's bonus basically Paladin's hero power. Warlock's hero power is better, but since you're playing Warlock, you already have access to it.
Edge: About even.

I feel like this is hugely advantageous in Coil's favor.  For example, Murloc Tidehunter is a 2/1 but if you swapped its power from "Summon a 1/1" to "Battlecry: draw a card" it loses an attack and turns into Novice Engineer.
I agree that in general drawing a card is much better than summoning a 1/1, but for Warlock specifically, there's an argument that the edge isn't as much (although I've come around to agreeing that drawing is still a bit better), for two reasons: one is that you can already draw cards using your hero power, so you're not as card-limited as other classes; the other is that you may want to clear cards from your hand to play Doomguard or Soulfire.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #105 on: July 27, 2014, 05:11:08 pm »
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I feel like defender of argus is a key card I don't have...
If you plan on playing zoo, yeah, you need Defender of Argus.

I'm playing a variation of the 16hp lock from liquidhearth.  In mirrors or against Zoo, I lose because of the dang taunts.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #106 on: July 27, 2014, 05:11:45 pm »
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Also opened Doomhammer recently.  My shammy skills are lacking.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #107 on: July 27, 2014, 05:39:18 pm »
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Also opened Doomhammer recently.  My shammy skills are lacking.

Doomhammer's a fun card, especially with Rockbiter, but it's hard to see a Shaman deck working without Lightning Storm.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #108 on: July 28, 2014, 01:27:42 am »
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Also opened Doomhammer recently.  My shammy skills are lacking.

Doomhammer's a fun card, especially with Rockbiter, but it's hard to see a Shaman deck working without Lightning Storm.

I used Doomhammer for a while in my shaman deck, but I found it underwhelming. It's good with rockbiter, but otherwise you can't really hit minions because Shaman has no healing, and 4 face damage a turn isn't the best for a 5 drop with overload. I have Al'Akir which fills that spot well, and does many more things for his cost, and I've been doing a lot better with him then with Doomhammer.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #109 on: August 04, 2014, 09:06:14 am »
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Well that was odd.

I just took out an Ice Queen mage--golden Alex, multiple golden cards and it looked like the standard build that Trump has used--with an aggro mage.

Is that just a bad matchup for freeze mage, or did I get insanely lucky?
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #110 on: August 04, 2014, 09:20:06 am »
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Aggro Mage is a classical counter to freeze mage
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #111 on: August 04, 2014, 11:20:55 am »
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I just had an 11 game win streak that brought me up to rank 11. I feel legend rank is coming this month.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #112 on: August 04, 2014, 12:59:22 pm »
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Backlight Rogue. Going vs Warlock.

T1 He passes. I play Leper Gnome
T2. He Life Taps. I assume Handlock, so I play Sinister Strike + Cold Blood. Unless he has Mortal Coil, he cannot remove it till turn 4, and even if he has, 4 damage is not that bad for 1 mana. I attack for 6.
T3. He plays Knife Juggler (obv not Handlock) + Void Walker. Misses my Leper. I Sap the Juggler and Eviscerate the Walker, going for 6 more (Walker is a bigger problem, I have to sack Leper if he replays it).
T4. He replays Knife Juggler, along with 2 Abusive Sargeants - both miss my Gnome. I feel sorry as he concedes after I dagger up, hit the Juggler and Bladeflurry.  :P
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #113 on: August 04, 2014, 01:00:01 pm »
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Also I love this new tech of Lock playing Void Terrors, it's so satisfying to Sap those guys.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #114 on: August 04, 2014, 01:33:50 pm »
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Also I love this new tech of Lock playing Void Terrors, it's so satisfying to Sap those guys.

It's annoying, but I'm ok with keeping my nerubian.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #115 on: August 05, 2014, 10:38:11 pm »
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I've now played 9 zoo decks in a row on ladder.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #116 on: August 06, 2014, 04:39:12 pm »
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So the card I was most excited about from Naxx finally came out... Reincarnate!  Here's the list I'm starting with, it's doing okay so far, although it certainly needs some more tweaks (I'm thinking about throwing Ragnaros in.  I also don't own Al'akir, although he'd probably have a place here.)  :

2x Earth Shock
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Rockbiter Weapon
2x Reincarnate
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
2x Flametongue Totem
2x Nerubian Egg
2x Feral Spirit
2x Hex
2x Lightning Storm
2x Unbound Elemental
1x Leeroy Jenkins
1x Senjin Shieldmasta
1x Doomhammer
2x Azure Drake
1x Cairne Bloodhoof
2x Fire Elemental
1x Sylvanas Windrunner
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #117 on: August 06, 2014, 06:07:28 pm »
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I've now played 9 zoo decks in a row on ladder.

I feel for you. Samesies here.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #118 on: August 06, 2014, 06:09:01 pm »
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Got ~3200 dust. (Can get aditional 1200 by disenchanting Nozdromu, Beast and Millhouse, but I dont wanna  :-[)

What to get?
I lean towards Cairne and Ragnaros.

Here is what I am missing:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQ-8hbo9DEUUEoASZI-ccuTCTUajWiplrgqCuO1Dy2A/edit#gid=0
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #119 on: August 06, 2014, 06:09:59 pm »
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Got ~3200 dust. (Can get aditional 1200 by disenchanting Nozdromu, Beast and Millhouse, but I dont wanna  :-[)

What to get?
I lean towards Cairne and Ragnaros.

Here is what I am missing:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQ-8hbo9DEUUEoASZI-ccuTCTUajWiplrgqCuO1Dy2A/edit#gid=0

Do you have Angry Chicken?  If not, you should craft 32 Angry Chickens.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #120 on: August 06, 2014, 06:13:19 pm »
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Got ~3200 dust. (Can get aditional 1200 by disenchanting Nozdromu, Beast and Millhouse, but I dont wanna  :-[)

What to get?
I lean towards Cairne and Ragnaros.

Here is what I am missing:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQ-8hbo9DEUUEoASZI-ccuTCTUajWiplrgqCuO1Dy2A/edit#gid=0

Do you have Angry Chicken?  If not, you should craft 32 Angry Chickens.

That sounds like either a movie about a very large, very squawky jury OR a Zoo deck made by someone with a fundamental misunderstanding about what Zoo decks are.
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« Reply #121 on: August 06, 2014, 06:14:17 pm »
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Got ~3200 dust. (Can get aditional 1200 by disenchanting Nozdromu, Beast and Millhouse, but I dont wanna  :-[)

What to get?
I lean towards Cairne and Ragnaros.

Here is what I am missing:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wQ-8hbo9DEUUEoASZI-ccuTCTUajWiplrgqCuO1Dy2A/edit#gid=0

Alex + Thalnos, then you can play freeze mage!
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #122 on: August 06, 2014, 06:16:06 pm »
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I only have 1/4 giants, unforunately.
I also really rally want to get Ancient of Lores. And I have such bad luck with epics, I opened only 1 of 4 giants and 0 of 4 Ancients, but I believe 4 or 5 freaking Spellbenders.
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« Reply #123 on: August 06, 2014, 06:18:18 pm »
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I only have 1/4 giants, unforunately.
I also really rally want to get Ancient of Lores. And I have such bad luck with epics, I opened only 1 of 4 giants and 0 of 4 Ancients, but I believe 4 or 5 freaking Spellbenders.

Are you supposed to play giants in freeze mage? I don't have them in the deck I built.
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« Reply #124 on: August 06, 2014, 06:23:17 pm »
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Oh, you are right, rarely they are played. My bad.
I do lack 1 Doomsayer, but that's actually not a bad idea as those legendaries are playable in other decks too. Not as wide as Rag or Cairne, but .. fine.
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