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Constructed General Discussion
« on: June 17, 2014, 06:43:54 pm »
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Share your adventures in constructed ranked, or casual!
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2014, 08:58:04 pm »
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Anyone have suggestions for great rankings of cards for constructed?  I use some Arena rankings, which are greatly helpful.  I feel like someone must have done a full list of all cards and ranked them by cost, like "Here are all 0-1 mana cost neutral commons, in rank order" and posted them somewhere.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2014, 11:01:18 pm »
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Anyone have suggestions for great rankings of cards for constructed?  I use some Arena rankings, which are greatly helpful.  I feel like someone must have done a full list of all cards and ranked them by cost, like "Here are all 0-1 mana cost neutral commons, in rank order" and posted them somewhere.
That doesn't really make sense for constructed because the goodness of cards depends more on how well they fit into the deck than in arena. For example, Shieldbearer is a terrible arena card, and in most constructed decks it's really bad too, but in zoo it's good.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2014, 02:49:00 am »
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Here is a quick rundown of what's played right now, if that helps. Neutral cards:

Edit: wait, I forgot souldbond stuff, I'll put it on bottom.

Other cards than these are rarely/never seen. Murlocks are only seen in dedicated deck, which ain't all that great.

1 drops
Argent Squire - 1 drop of choice of most decks, as it trades good with two 2/1s, and if you buff it it makes even better trades.
Leper Gnome - It's basically 2-4 damage for 1 mana, sometimes a lil more, usually aggressive deck run it.
Young Priestess - Zoo staple, any other agro deck that benefits from the effect.
Abusive Sargent - Zoo and similar very agressive deck that like good trades.
Shieldbearer - Zoo Staple.
Southsee Deckhand - Tempo Rogue.
Worgen Inflatrator - rarely seen, some players prefer this drop to other ones in agro decks. Like I saw some Shockadins that play it.
Elven Archer - anti-aggro tech.
Stonetusk - Hunter only.

2 Drops -
Thalnos - Anyone who can use +1 spellpower, which is many decks.
Ancent Watcher - Control decks, it comes in package with Defenders of Argust and..
Sunfury Protector - Control, see above.
Knife Juggler - Staple, any decks that can put out a lot of minions. Bonus points when it kills Leeroy before he attacks.
Dire Wolf Alpha - Aggro staple.
Wild Pyro - any deck that can cheat with it, i.e. Paladin/Druid/Priest control.
Loot Hoarder - Value creature, anybody who needs early body and draw power.
Faerie Dragon - when you need a 2 drop that doesn't die to early removal. Quite Decent.
Amani Berserker - Usually 1 of in Agro decks, it an be awkward to play against.
Ironbeak Owl - chapest neutral silence + trades. Played usually in deck that have to remove taunters.
Doomsayer - Freeze Mage/other low creature count controls.
Acidic - rarely, only those decks that get totally ripped by weaposn.
Bluegill - Aggro
Kobold Geomancer - if you see somebody play it, it's budget replacement for Thalnos.
Crocolisk - Midrange hunters. Trades favorable with 2/1s.

3 Drops
Harvest Golem - Super-value, anybody who can fit it.
Acoyle of Pain - those who can abuse it and need draw, i.e. Mage/Warrior Control.
Earthen Farseer - any deck that needs to surive a bit more, control and such. Mircle Rogue too.
Big Game Hunter - deck that don't have real removal (like druids) and need to get rid of big guys.
Arcane Golem - Finisher, if Leeroy is not nuff.
Injured Blademaster - Priests. Control ones.
Blood Knight - Meta-card, used when you think he has a lot of shields to steal.
Scarlet Crusader - Zoo, aggro.
Coldlight - some tempo Rogues, burn Mages, etc..
Mukla - some Hunters, some tempo Rogues..
Demolisher - Incrisingly popular in Druids.
Wolf Rider - aggro.
Shattered Sun - Zoo and zoo like.


4 Drops:
Leeroy - #1 favourite finisher, aggro, but basically anyone. Rogue cheats with it.
Defender of Argus - anybody who can fit it in, actually.
Twilight Drake - Handlock.
Dark Iron Dwarf - Zoo, aggro.
Violet Teacher - tokens.
Yeti - Those than need solid mid-game drops. Druid sometimes.
Sen'jin - same, but you also want to slow down aggro.


5 Drops -
Azure Drake - Everybody can use spell damage, good body and +1 card. Elite drop. Everybody play it.
Faceless - Usually control and other decks that can make huge minions and than copy them.
Gadgetan - Role player, Rogues mostly.
Harrison Jones - Control Warrior, I guess.
Kodo/Tiger - few midrange hunters, but those are dying out.

6 Drops -
Cairne - Elite drop. Midrange mostly.
Argent Commander - If you need to utility/burst.
Black Knight - see Big game hunter.
Sylvanas - some still run it, control decks.
Sunwalker - Hard to remove so he is played occasionally in slower decks, Midrange/control.

7+ Drops -
Geddon - control warrior.
Rag/Ysera - control finisher, Rag is more popular.
Alextrasza - Control. Freeze Mage/Warrior mostly.
Mountain/Molten Giant - Handlock.

Somebody else can do class cards.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2014, 06:18:29 am by Grujah »
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2014, 04:09:28 am »
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Thanks Grujah!
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2014, 04:25:21 am »
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I missed Sunwalker, I see him from time to time as he is hard to remove.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2014, 06:15:52 am »
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Two minor clarifications.

Farseer - any deck that needs to surive a bit more, control and such.

Earthen Ring, not Thrallmar.

Sunfury - Zoo and zoo like.

I think this is suposed to be Shattered Sun Cleric.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2014, 06:19:10 am »
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Yup on both.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2014, 12:32:04 pm »
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Minor additions/clarifications/disagreements:

2-drops:
Bloodsail Raider - More aggressive Warriors
Alchemist - Priest, to mess with attack power, and counter Shaman totems.
Mana Addict - some (weaker) versions of Miracle Rogue

3-drops:
MC tech - anti-zoo/shaman tech.
Imp Master - occassionally used in token Druid
Raging Worgen - some combo Warriors and Mages
Harvest Golem is only used as anti-aggro or if you need something sticky for buffs. Otherwise it's not that useful.
Coldlight is any "solitaire" decks where you don't really care about your opponent having cards. This is big combo like Miracle Rogue/Burn Mage, or all-out aggro.
Mukla is a risky but powerful play in tempo decks, so it shows up in some Warlocks as well.

4-drops:
Inventor - deck thinning with a body, sometimes in Miracle
Spellbreaker - sometimes in Watcher decks for more activators. Rarely in control decks as anti-Cairne

5-drops:
Nightblade - face Warrior
Abomination - rare anti-aggro
Venture Co. Mercenary - mostly only used by me, but it's great for control decks that don't hate the turn-after tempo loss. It serves as an extra threat in the control matchups, giving you an edge in the threats vs removals battle, while still being cheap enough to not waste hand space vs more aggresive decks.

6-drops:
Sylvanas - usually only if you have some combo with it, like Shield Slam or SW:Death

7+-drops:
Malygos - Spell Power Rogue
Giants are also used in other control decks

Oh and Murlocs:
The main ones used that haven't been mentioned are Murk-eye, Warleader, Seer, Tidecaller, and Tidehunter.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2014, 12:38:52 pm »
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Alchemist all sometimes with Mana Addict, as you can cheat and set Mana Addict's buffs to be permanent.

I skipped some of those on purpose, but sure.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2014, 03:08:38 pm »
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I use Venture Co. as well, but in my Priest deck that I don't play in ranked.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2014, 08:09:50 pm »
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The decklists from last weekend's Dreamhack tournament are out: http://ihearthu.com/dreamhack-summer-group-stage-decklists/
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2014, 08:21:11 pm »
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Hmm... some standard stuff, but there are a few interesting lists that I might try out.

Amaz actually played Facehunter, fun :)
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2014, 08:59:16 pm »
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Yeah, it was cool to see that a couple of the guys who went against the grain were the ones that ended up in the finals, AMAZ with the only priest and RDU with the only top 8 mage.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2014, 03:40:21 am »
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Just played a level 17 Hunter in Ranked who dropped a Baron Geddon, Illidan, Alexstraza, and Cairne.

I beat him with my no legendary, mostly commons Control Pally deck.

That was nice.
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Re: Constructed General Discussion
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2014, 09:58:53 am »
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Just played a level 17 Hunter in Ranked who dropped a Baron Geddon, Illidan, Alexstraza, and Cairne.

I beat him with my no legendary, mostly commons Control Pally deck.

That was nice.

Just goes to show that you can have tons of legendaries, but without actually thinking about your deck they are just as dead as anything else.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2014, 03:32:53 pm »
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Kodo/Tiger - few midrange hunters, but those are dying out.

I missed this one, but Kodos also show up a bunch of other places as anti-zoo/shaman tech.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2014, 01:30:48 pm »
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I just played a Priest vs. Priest where I had a Northshire on the board, and all my minions were damaged from my Wild Pyromancer. I have full hand and my opponent play Circle of Healing to burn through like, 8 cards of mine. It gave me a 29-2 Light Wardern, which he had to Shadow Word: Death. Still won easily, but it was pretty interesting.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 04:06:06 pm »
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Another Priest laugh, I just thoughtstole two Thouthsteals.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2014, 05:20:26 pm »
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Another Priest laugh, I just thoughtstole two Thouthsteals.

Amaz would be overjoyed.

I mean, TS is the best card in the game :P
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« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2014, 05:22:12 pm »
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Another Priest laugh, I just thoughtstole two Thouthsteals.

Amaz would be overjoyed.

I mean, TS is the best card in the game :P

It has it's moments, that's for sure.

EDIT: Like the Golden Alakir I just stole.
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« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2014, 08:15:28 pm »
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Woo, I made legend! 

I had made it up to mid rank 1 three times with my goofy mage deck but couldn't break through the last few games.  So after falling back to rank 3 I loaded up my fairly standard Shaman deck and went on a hot streak. 

I haven't been running Unbound Elementals.  The borderline cards I was running were 2x Harvest Golem, 1x Chilwind, 1x Senjin, 1x Defender of Arg, 1x Argent Commander.    I feel like Shaman is where Druid used to be in that it has mostly solid mathups but is slightly under the radar.  It helps Shaman that Miracle Rogue is losing popularity.  Druid is the deck to beat right now.  I'm not sure that Shaman is the answer to druid but it's certainly not the worst choice. 
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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2014, 09:06:29 pm »
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Congrats!!! Rank 2* is the best I've managed so far.

 Yeah, I agree on your definition of shaman.
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« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2014, 10:26:51 pm »
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My current ranked deck is a Shaman deck and it's pretty solid. With the right opening cards you get get passed Innervated stuff, and Hex is good for large drops that Druid can put out. I'm pretty sure the worst matchup is against Hunter, but they lost a lot of popularity after the UTH nerf.
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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2014, 10:29:00 pm »
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My current, most successful Ranked deck is 3-Mana UTH Trap Hunter.  With the right draw, it's pretty amazing.  It struggles against control decks or other decks with very few minions, since it really depends on Starving Buzzard + UTH to go off.

You can tell when you are playing someone who isn't super familiar with Hunter decks, though.  Dropping four minions with 2 or less life right before attacking me and I have a trap set?  Shoulda tested for Explosive Trap.
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