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Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« on: June 15, 2014, 05:11:24 am »
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Anyone has interesting Kingdoms with Prince?

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2014, 01:57:05 pm »
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Prince/Beggar has been mentioned, and that seems like it could be a powerhouse.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2014, 07:40:50 pm »
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Prince/Beggar has been mentioned, and that seems like it could be a powerhouse.

Maybe on opposite day.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2014, 08:57:46 pm »
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With a hand of 5 Coppers (all the more likely with a Princed Beggar), you can buy a Province.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2014, 09:11:42 pm »
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prince of beggar means you need 5$ to buy a province and you get lots of card that make hitting 5$  more likely. seems good to me...

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2014, 09:12:06 pm »
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depends on the deck. If you're doing a pretty normal money sort of thing, prince of beggars is good (have fun making sure you connect them though). On the other hand, if you've got a super sweet engine that's going to have triple province turns, it's not so great.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2014, 09:18:47 pm »
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depends on the deck. If you're doing a pretty normal money sort of thing, prince of beggars is good (have fun making sure you connect them though).
Having the Prince of Beggars might be good, but I'm not convinced that getting it is better than getting a Silver and a Province.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 09:33:52 pm »
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yeah, I don't think I would ever get prince (except for in weird edge cases) in a BM strategy because chances are good it won't hit my action. Prince actually seems to me to be relatively weak, only used in some engines. Sort of like outpost. But I don't really know of course - I've never played with the card!
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 11:15:41 pm »
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Anyone has interesting Kingdoms with Prince?

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Just messing around... how about:

Beggar, Market Square, Steward, Armory, Bridge, Coppersmith, Herald, Throne Room, Counting House, Prince

Not going to spoiler this because I haven't thought about this long enough for it to be a "tip"... there is probably a sweet engine in here between Armory gaining, Steward trashing and Bridge payload, but I'd be at least a little bit tempted to attempt a crazy Copper-centric strategy.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 11:34:54 pm »
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Anyone has interesting Kingdoms with Prince?

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Just messing around... how about:

Beggar, Market Square, Steward, Armory, Bridge, Coppersmith, Herald, Throne Room, Counting House, Prince

Not going to spoiler this because I haven't thought about this long enough for it to be a "tip"... there is probably a sweet engine in here between Armory gaining, Steward trashing and Bridge payload, but I'd be at least a little bit tempted to attempt a crazy Copper-centric strategy.

If I could line them up, I would totally Prince Coppersmith.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2014, 02:39:02 am »
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Coppersmith doesn't look like a big deal in this kingdom, right? If you're going Copper-centric, you'll have so many of them every hand that you'll be able to buy any one thing you want anyway. I could imagine Princeing Counting House for reliability, Beggar for payload, or even Bridge just for the buy - though I imagine lining those two up would be as easy as winning the lottery, in a huge deck like this, so you wouldn't buy the Bridge to begin with.

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2014, 02:49:38 am »
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I think most strategies which attempt to Prince a $5+ card (with Bridge/Highway/Quarry(BM)/Princess) take too long to set up.
The amount of Coppers in your deck will just kill you.

You need a bit of luck here to get it early (probably with Beggar) and then to connect it with something good.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2014, 07:14:15 am »
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Anyone has interesting Kingdoms with Prince?

Please hide all strategy tips with the spoiler tag (like this).

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Just messing around... how about:

Beggar, Market Square, Steward, Armory, Bridge, Coppersmith, Herald, Throne Room, Counting House, Prince

Not going to spoiler this because I haven't thought about this long enough for it to be a "tip"... there is probably a sweet engine in here between Armory gaining, Steward trashing and Bridge payload, but I'd be at least a little bit tempted to attempt a crazy Copper-centric strategy.

Thanks to Heralds and Throne Rooms you can very easily get 7 Bridges in play relatively quickly even without Prince. Any Copper-centric strategy is horrible.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2014, 10:33:28 am »
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Chapel, Village, Masquerade, Bridge, Remake, Saboteur, Goons, Possession, King's Court, Prince

I originally posted this in the "Fun Kingdoms" thread facetiously, fully expecting that it would be the least fun game of Dominion of all time. But looking at it now, I'm interested in it, since the pin can be blocked. There's also stuff with KC KC B B B, but KC saboteur and goons action could stop that. And then there's possession.
Thoughts?
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2014, 10:38:23 am »
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The thing about a Prince of Beggars strategy is that you probably want a bunch of Beggars, making it easier to line one up with Prince. Then once you have a Prince of Beggars, almost any hand with another Beggar is a Province hand.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2014, 10:44:39 am »
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I think Coppersmith may be the easiest to set up. It's got a good chance at 8 early and having them collide after that basically gives you 7 Silver in your deck. That will set up good chances to get more Princes in play.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2014, 10:57:25 am »
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The thing about a Prince of Beggars strategy is that you probably want a bunch of Beggars, making it easier to line one up with Prince. Then once you have a Prince of Beggars, almost any hand with another Beggar is a Province hand.

How do you buy the Prince in the first place? You need Beggar+Silver+3xCopper.... does not look good at all.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2014, 11:44:12 am »
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Thanks to Heralds and Throne Rooms you can very easily get 7 Bridges in play relatively quickly even without Prince. Any Copper-centric strategy is horrible.

There goes SCSN again making blanket statements on F.DS. Usually by the time I get to reading them there have been 55 edge cases posted but it looks like my timing is good.

Coppersmith is a wonderful engine payload. There are quadrillions of kingdoms out there without Herald or Throne Room and while there are certainly more powerful things you can do than play Coppers, sometimes Copper-centric strategies are the best thing on the board. I'd find it more accurate to say that there are more bad Copper-centric strategies than good ones, but you can't just dismiss things in Dominion or else you're just going to lose games. (Let me beat you all to the punch. EXCEPT SCOUT LOLOL)

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2014, 11:46:00 am »
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I believe he meant any copper-centric strategy is horrible on this board
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2014, 11:47:52 am »
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I believe he meant any copper-centric strategy is horrible on this board

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2014, 12:38:04 pm »
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Chapel, Village, Masquerade, Bridge, Remake, Saboteur, Goons, Possession, King's Court, Prince

I originally posted this in the "Fun Kingdom's" thread facetiously, fully expecting that it would be the least fun game of Dominion of all time. But looking at it now, I'm interested in it, since the pin can be blocked. There's also stuff with KC KC B B B, but KC saboteur and goons action could stop that. And then there's possession.
Thoughts?

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2014, 12:43:29 pm »
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I take it all back. Please ignore me and move along with your lives. I'm an idiot (reading is hard).

All back? Even the Scout part?
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2014, 04:05:18 pm »
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Thanks to Heralds and Throne Rooms you can very easily get 7 Bridges in play relatively quickly even without Prince. Any Copper-centric strategy is horrible.

There goes SCSN again making blanket statements on F.DS. Usually by the time I get to reading them there have been 55 edge cases posted but it looks like my timing is good.

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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2014, 04:14:34 pm »
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Of course we have many stylistic differences in lots that we do. You like to have lots of terminals in your deck and I don't. Sometimes I just like to keep Coppers around, you know? And now this.

And of course I have nothing but respect for the way you do things, mostly because I know you're really good at the game. Sometimes I like to weigh in my counterpoints, but it's usually more effective when I correctly comprehend what you've said.
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Re: Interesting Kingdoms with Prince?
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2014, 05:02:13 pm »
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