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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #250 on: February 26, 2015, 09:14:43 pm »
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So here's something I put together showing what's strictly better than what among official Action cards with vanilla on-play effects (and choices of vanilla on-play effects), considering ONLY on-play effects and ignoring edge cases.

Relevant to recent debates here? Not especially.

Useful? Not really.

Mildly interesting to look at? Sort of, maybe!

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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #251 on: February 26, 2015, 09:29:30 pm »
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So here's something I put together showing what's strictly better than what among official Action cards with vanilla on-play effects (and choices of vanilla on-play effects), considering ONLY on-play effects and ignoring edge cases.

Relevant to recent debates here? Not especially.

Useful? Not really.

Mildly interesting to look at? Sort of, maybe!



Worker's Village is strictly better than Village.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #252 on: February 26, 2015, 10:01:55 pm »
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Worker's Village is strictly better than Village.

Good catch - fixed.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #253 on: February 26, 2015, 10:35:44 pm »
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Worker's Village is strictly better than Village.

Good catch - fixed.

I don't see Count > Mandarin, which should be included if you are only considering on-play effects.

You might want to specify which edge cases you are excluding.

Edit: Great Hall should probably have many more lines going to it.  You're missing Pearl Diver and Vagrant, just to name a couple.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #254 on: February 26, 2015, 10:40:01 pm »
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And, of course, we've talked about how Ruins are better than their counterparts.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #255 on: February 26, 2015, 10:45:58 pm »
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Worker's Village is strictly better than Village.

Good catch - fixed.

I don't see Count > Mandarin, which should be included if you are only considering on-play effects.

It's only vanilla cards.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #256 on: February 26, 2015, 10:52:02 pm »
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Worker's Village is strictly better than Village.

Good catch - fixed.

I don't see Count > Mandarin, which should be included if you are only considering on-play effects.

It's only vanilla cards.

Oops, missed that.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #257 on: February 27, 2015, 05:29:49 am »
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And, of course, we've talked about how Ruins are better than their counterparts.

How can ruins be better than their counterparts? Maybe I could buy the others, but Ruined Market > Pawn? I believe Pawn should be strictly better than Ruined Market, now that I think about it.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #258 on: February 27, 2015, 07:35:51 am »
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And, of course, we've talked about how Ruins are better than their counterparts.

How can ruins be better than their counterparts? Maybe I could buy the others, but Ruined Market > Pawn? I believe Pawn should be strictly better than Ruined Market, now that I think about it.

Can't draw Pawn with Vagrant!
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #259 on: March 01, 2015, 07:31:04 am »
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So here's something I put together showing what's strictly better than what among official Action cards with vanilla on-play effects (and choices of vanilla on-play effects), considering ONLY on-play effects and ignoring edge cases.

You can remove the line from Market to Abandoned Mine because they're already connected via Pawn.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #260 on: March 21, 2015, 06:13:56 am »
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Intrigue > Base?
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #261 on: March 21, 2015, 08:28:40 am »
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Intrigue > Base?

No, because Scout is not strictly better than Woodcutter.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #262 on: March 21, 2015, 08:33:41 am »
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Isotropic > Goko.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #263 on: March 21, 2015, 07:55:27 pm »
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You'd need to ignore name-caring cards, too. Worker's Village is strictly better in hand than Village almost all of the time, but not if the other 4 cards in your hand are Menagerie, Worker's Village, Copper, and Estate.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #264 on: March 21, 2015, 08:09:47 pm »
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You'd need to ignore name-caring cards, too. Worker's Village is strictly better in hand than Village almost all of the time, but not if the other 4 cards in your hand are Menagerie, Worker's Village, Copper, and Estate.
Only if the card on top of your deck is another Copper or Estate.

Of course, to be fair it's better to not have to worry about that. And technically speaking it's also better to not have to play a Worker's Village right then anyway.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #265 on: March 21, 2015, 08:34:08 pm »
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You'd need to ignore name-caring cards, too. Worker's Village is strictly better in hand than Village almost all of the time, but not if the other 4 cards in your hand are Menagerie, Worker's Village, Copper, and Estate.

This has been brought up every time there is a new page..
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #266 on: July 31, 2015, 08:36:12 am »
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Can anyone find a case where Butcher is worse than Remodel?
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #267 on: July 31, 2015, 09:07:40 am »
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Can anyone find a case where Butcher is worse than Remodel?

Barring Menagerie, Fairgrounds, Harvest and Horn of Plenty?

Well, there might be a scenario where you might want to Forge Remodel instead of Butcher.
Also, with some cost reduction active (all cards cost exactly 2 coins less) your Remodel is safe from Knights or Saboteur atacks, while Butcher is not.

But that is all pure wankery :)

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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #268 on: August 20, 2015, 06:29:58 am »
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Time to bring Adventure cards into this thread.

Hero > Mint (Bring me an example where it is better to reveal a treasure from your hand.)
Messenger > Chancellor
Artificer > Peddler
Everything strictly better than Village > Port

EDIT: Hero > Mint does not work if you want to activate Conspirator and do not want a treasure.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #269 on: August 22, 2015, 12:45:18 pm »
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So Adventures now makes some of the cards that were strictly better no longer strictly better. Thanks to Storyteller, a free coin can hurt you through reshuffles. And a free action can hurt you through Diadem and Storyteller and reshuffles. So Bazaar > Village is out.

Messenger isn't Greater than Chancellor. In your hand they are identical. When buying you may or may not want the on buy effect.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #270 on: August 22, 2015, 01:18:58 pm »
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Chancellor doesn't give +buy.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #271 on: August 22, 2015, 04:06:21 pm »
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #272 on: September 25, 2015, 01:11:50 am »
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Can anyone find a case where Butcher is worse than Remodel?

Can we count Prince? Or does that violate the 'cost is irrelevant' principle?

Also, there's the edge case online where you've already played Throne Room. Since Remodel's ability is mandatory, you can't misclick and not upgrade that Gold into a Province, while you can accidentally not trash the Gold with Remodel.
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #273 on: September 25, 2015, 05:45:55 am »
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Can we count Prince?

I think the more interesting question is, can we prince Count?
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Re: Strictly better than....
« Reply #274 on: September 25, 2015, 01:09:01 pm »
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Can anyone find a case where Butcher is worse than Remodel?

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