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[amalloy]

I played a fun engine that was made more difficult by lack of trashing (seems to be a theme for me recently):

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Apothecary, Sage, Alchemist, Feast, Herald, Monument, Quarry, Golem, Treasury, Witch
It worked fine with only three Curses in my deck, but I think a more focused opponent can just go double Witch and should win the split 7-3 or at least 6-4, which may spell disaster: my deck will work much less well, and his will be able to drain the Provinces faster. Is Witch/BM the way to go, or maybe start with Silver/Silver/Witch/Witch and then start building all this potion-cost nonsense once the cursing has died down? Or...can I point AdamH to this as an example of a great Golem board after all?

[Davio]

This is a fun little Potion board.

All of the Potion cards are decent+: Start with an Apothecary, grab Alchemists and Golems later and of course you should get at least 1 Witch.
Monument should be a handy dandy card here to make up for the lack of VPs.

Maybe even grab 2 Potions, but maybe not; you can draw them with Apo and have only 1 buy.
The lack of a +Buy is really hurtful and in favor of the Witch-BM player, but I think you should be able to overcome him with Golems and multiple Monuments.

[Titandrake]

Uncontested, it's a little rough, but the engine seems strong enough. Monument VP lets you turn your better cycling into points, Apothecary-Sage/Herald should help with filtering too. It does depends somewhat on how the Curse split goes...but between Sage and Golem I think it's alright to lose the split 6-4.

[Davio]

At least there's no need to grab a pesky Silver here!

I think a Potion/Sage opening is best here.
Not getting a Witch on your first reshuffle should be compensated by accelerated cycling with Apothecary and a Witch on the second reshuffle.
Losing the split 6-4 is OK, the Monuments should help you a lot.

Without Monument, the question is valid whether the cute Potion engine is still better than Witch-BM; maybe a smidge, but definitely not much.

[silverspawn]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

[luser]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

Then try defeat Lord Bottington with it.

[silverspawn]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

Then try defeat Lord Bottington with it.

aye

[Davio]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

Then try defeat Lord Bottington with it.

aye

He buys a Golem with no other actions in his deck...

[silverspawn]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

Then try defeat Lord Bottington with it.

aye

He buys a Golem with no other actions in his deck...

well i never said playing vs bots proves anything 

[markusin]

looks like a clear double witch BM to me

Then try defeat Lord Bottington with it.

aye

He buys a Golem with no other actions in his deck...

That's a tragedy in itself.

[DG]

The bot games with golem are a bit of a puzzle to me actually. They can do quite well from a potion/silver start, certainly compared to their normal play.

[luser]

The bot games with golem are a bit of a puzzle to me actually. They can do quite well from a potion/silver start, certainly compared to their normal play.

Yes I mentioned bots because most of time they beat my witch-bm attempts. I won only when I started with 5-2 split or they decided to ignore witch.