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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2014, 01:18:30 pm »
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Or is Workshop simply a very limited (but reliable) Outpost?
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2014, 01:53:48 pm »
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Or is Workshop simply a very limited (but reliable) Outpost?

Which would mean that Workshop is a mini-Possession.  :o
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2014, 02:15:27 pm »
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Or is Workshop simply a very limited (but reliable) Outpost?

Which would mean that Workshop is a mini-Possession.  :o

Ruined Market is a mini-mini-Possession.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2014, 02:27:09 pm »
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Or is Workshop simply a very limited (but reliable) Outpost?

Which would mean that Workshop is a mini-Possession.  :o

Young Posession - Action $3

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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2014, 02:30:09 pm »
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Young Posession - Action $3

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Opponent may reveal a Curse from his/her hand.  If they do not, gain a card costing up to $4.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2014, 02:38:38 pm »
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I think Possession would be more fair if you couldn't take advantage of duration cards (Tactician being the biggest), Masq/Amb shenanigans, or any trashing of the Possesses player's cards (with Salvager for example).

What I'm trying to say with this is: It should only let you do things the player would have done himself.


What if after the Possession turn, the Possessed player puts his deck in the exact same state as before he was Possessed? So you get the bonus from your durations, important cards don't miss the reshuffle, etc...??? This is awkward in real life of course, but very easy to implement online. Any Masq'd and Amb'd cards should be returned of course.
In that case, it mostly would be a glorified Workshop.

Like Davio, I'd prefer to call it a glorified (or "JoaTed") Outpost, since it can gain any number of cards.

Yes but Outpost is a glorified Workshop.

And so Possession is a glorified Smugglers.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2014, 02:49:55 pm »
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Estate is a glorified Curse.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2014, 02:50:26 pm »
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Oh, and Grand Market is a glor..... grandified Market.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2014, 04:55:54 pm »
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Young Posession - Action $3

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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2014, 07:07:24 pm »
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Young Posession - Action $3

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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
That would be an awesome counter to King's Court.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2014, 09:00:10 pm »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses." 
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2014, 09:05:48 pm »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."
Is Fleeting Grasp a Reaction that hurts the attacker?
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2014, 11:16:47 pm »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."
Is Fleeting Grasp a Reaction that hurts the attacker?

Only with a few attacks like Oracle and Spy.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2014, 11:31:18 pm »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."
Is Fleeting Grasp a Reaction that hurts the attacker?

Only with a few attacks like Oracle and Spy.

And because explaining jokes makes them funnier, I was referring to Possession, which is funny because this is the "Is Possession an Attack?" thread.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2014, 02:35:54 am »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."

I don't think reacting with Fleeting Grasp does anything against Possession. A card is "resolved" when it's done being played, and there are no decisions to be made as part of playing Possession. What it does is unconditionally create a pending effect, which is resolved at the end of the turn. Similarly, if you Grasp a Scheme I'm playing, you don't get to choose which card I topdeck at the end of my turn.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2014, 03:46:38 am »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."

I don't think reacting with Fleeting Grasp does anything against Possession. A card is "resolved" when it's done being played, and there are no decisions to be made as part of playing Possession. What it does is unconditionally create a pending effect, which is resolved at the end of the turn. Similarly, if you Grasp a Scheme I'm playing, you don't get to choose which card I topdeck at the end of my turn.

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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2014, 05:54:33 am »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."
Is Fleeting Grasp a Reaction that hurts the attacker?

Only with a few attacks like Oracle and Spy.

Mercenary may be the best.  Too bad you don't get to peek at her cards before deciding which to trash.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2014, 12:31:25 pm »
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Fleeting Grasp: Reaction, $P
When another player plays an action card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, you make all decisions during the resolution of that card.
So if an opponent plays Possession and I react with Fleeting Grasp, I control the ensuing extra turn, but the Possession player still gains any cards that the Possession target would have gained?  Might as well call it, "Here, hold these Curses."
Is Fleeting Grasp a Reaction that hurts the attacker?

Only with a few attacks like Oracle and Spy.

And because explaining jokes makes them funnier, I was referring to Possession, which is funny because this is the "Is Possession an Attack?" thread.
If it makes you feel any better my first thought was, "No cause Possession's not an attack," but before I posted it I figured, "Better read the rest of the thread."  Preempted :( 
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2022, 11:28:54 pm »
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I have to say the idea that Possesion isn't an attack is downright insane. Ya shoor.  as some guy ambassadors 2 of my colonies back and keeps one as a souvenir of this amicable encounter.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2022, 11:31:01 pm »
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one of the reasons why Possession isn't an attack :)

I'm pretty sure the main reason Possession isn't an attack is because it doesn't directly harm an opponent, unlike every other card that bears the attack type. :P

yet in fact it can hurt more than any other attack. i actually think that if possession were an attack it would be quite a bit less awful

On its own? No, not really. The damage dealt by Possession alone is almost strictly less than Minion. Both cause you to lose your hand, but at least Possession lets you have 5 cards. The harm is mostly psychological, like how Torturer feels worse than Witch when the attack portion of Witch is almost strictly better. Possession does no harm on average. It's just that people tend to forget about when it helps them and get stuck on when an opponent played their hand and bought something good. It's actually about as much of an attack as Tribute.

This is fundamentally untrue unless you too equally buy possessions.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #70 on: June 05, 2022, 03:07:55 pm »
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I think, due to its absurd cost, it is fair to call Possession a Divine Attack. Something that a punny Moat cannot stop.
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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2022, 04:37:37 pm »
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I think, due to its absurd cost, it is fair to call Possession a Divine Attack. Something that a punny Moat cannot stop.

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Re: Is Possession an Attack?
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2022, 04:15:29 pm »
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I think, due to its absurd cost, it is fair to call Possession a Divine Attack. Something that a punny Moat cannot stop.

Or maybe classifications of attacks it can block.  Like spells can go over a 2 cost "hastily dug Moat" Certain attacks a "hastily dug moat" cannot defend like familiar, witches/sorcerers/enchantress etc, but not militia/margrave/followers/rabble etc. I'd even be fine with airborne specific cards being ok too, like archer/noble brigand/catapult (i mean he is holding a bow) but not for any horde and just claim they have arrows.

or maybe like Block any attack 4 or less for a moat, but have like a "impenetrable moat for 4 or something too.  Like they got Gandalf there blocking spells, boiling oil for the rabble, dragons to burn up catapults etc. For kicks maybe you could overpay and for every 1 you overpay on a regular moat buy and you get and extra +1 added to the 4 for every coin overpaid?  Just randomly made this up now, but i really like this idea for a card!  :-*
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