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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #75 on: June 14, 2014, 11:31:27 am »
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Requesting more discussion on SCSN's board and also this board:

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Doctor, Fortune Teller, Feodum, Mining Village, Pirate Ship, Cache, Pillage, Tactician, Altar, Hunting Grounds

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Double tac/pirate ship. Seriously.

The double Tac Pirate Ship plan isn't awful, but I think the problem here is that your opponent welcomes your help in trashing his starting Coppers. I think you could setup some sort of thing with Altar, where you Altar your crap cards into Pillages, play Pillage, draw up the Spoils with Hunting Grounds, play them, repeat. Or he can just do his own Tac thing with Fortune Tellers, Mining Villages, Altar. A savvy player can do a lot of cool gain-stuff tricks here with the Altar/Doctor, Hunting Grounds, possibly even Feodum.

Yeah, I don't hold out much hope for the Pirate Ship guy here, as always. A key test for me is, "Do I have to buy Silver--a lot of Silvers, individually, one at time?" The answer here is clearly no.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #76 on: June 14, 2014, 01:39:40 pm »
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I'm pretty sure that Robz's suggestion of FT, MV, Altar, double Tac is slower than replacing the FTs with a PS or two.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #77 on: June 14, 2014, 02:37:29 pm »
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to me it seems like you can easily trash coppers fast enough to make pirate ship obsolete... i love that word  :P

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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2014, 09:09:35 am »
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I just played this incredibly boring board vs HvBoedefeld:



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Hamlet, Secret Chamber, Loan, Village, Workshop, Baron, Remake, Talisman, Golem, Border Village
We decided that best here is probably Baron BM, or maybe even straight BM.

But, I'm posting it here because I think if you replaced almost any of these cards with Pirate Ship, it would be almost necessary to go for Pirate Ship.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2014, 10:52:20 am »
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I just played this incredibly boring board vs HvBoedefeld:



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Hamlet, Secret Chamber, Loan, Village, Workshop, Baron, Remake, Talisman, Golem, Border Village
We decided that best here is probably Baron BM, or maybe even straight BM.

But, I'm posting it here because I think if you replaced almost any of these cards with Pirate Ship, it would be almost necessary to go for Pirate Ship.

You could try a Golem/baron Engine. But without Golem PS is for sure not good. Golem lets you play it a lot.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2014, 11:07:43 am »
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Something with golem, baron, and loan will probably beat pirate ship.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2014, 11:51:27 am »
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Something with golem, baron, and loan will probably beat pirate ship.

Agreed. And workshop helps a lot since a bunch of parts are $4 and will fill you deck with non-treasure
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2014, 07:47:17 pm »
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Something with golem, baron, and loan will probably beat pirate ship.

Agreed. And workshop helps a lot since a bunch of parts are $4 and will fill you deck with non-treasure

I think you guys are missing the point. You need to hit 2 Barons with 2 Estates in hand to get to a Province. That's almost impossible to do consistently without Golem, and you're going to need quite a few Golems to do it consistently. I'm guessing if you replace Secret Chamber with Pirate Ship, a deck with PS beats Golem/Baron handily. I'll be in Outpost for a bit if anyone wants to try.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2014, 08:03:33 pm »
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liopoil and I just played a game, and I smoked him with PS 42-21 with 7 Provinces. There's just not enough draw for Baron+Golem, and I could easily get my PS to $4-5
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2014, 08:16:24 pm »
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2014, 08:17:29 pm »
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Forgot to say that no log was created from last game.

We played a PS mirror and both ended up with worthless PSs and no treasure. liopoil followed it up with a Duchy/Estate rush, and I grabbed 2 Gold and a Silver and was able to sneak out 3 Provinces for the win. Here's the log.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #86 on: June 19, 2014, 08:33:44 pm »
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I am very skeptical that Golem has any role to play in the above game or its variants. There is no draw, or even strong terminals. Golem/Baron sounds like an awful nombo. How will you hit Estates? You have no draw.

I think I have a decent chance against Pirate Ship if you give me Secret Chamber and Workshop/Talisman to Silver flood. Otherwise... yeah, this is one of the weakest boards ever, and I think the Ship gets it.

(Funny enough, if you replace any of the cards with any $7 card, even $7 Curse, Pirate Ship is obsoleted. I will just Remake up the deck!)
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #87 on: June 19, 2014, 08:41:15 pm »
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I am very skeptical that Golem has any role to play in the above game or its variants. There is no draw, or even strong terminals. Golem/Baron sounds like an awful nombo. How will you hit Estates? You have no draw.

I think I have a decent chance against Pirate Ship if you give me Secret Chamber and Workshop/Talisman to Silver flood. Otherwise... yeah, this is one of the weakest boards ever, and I think the Ship gets it.

(Funny enough, if you replace any of the cards with any $7 card, even $7 Curse, Pirate Ship is obsoleted. I will just Remake up the deck!)
yeah, schneau and I figured that out. PS crushed my golem strategy, and then when we both went for pirate ship... it didn't work. Pirate ship could actually be ignorable, you just have to prioritize trashing everything, and then if your opponent didn't trash everything, you go for pirate ship. If you both trashed everything, now neither of you have anything in your deck, so you either build back up, getting treasures, or rush the duchies with remake. If one player tries to build an economy back up it is possible that you could then spam pirate ship to knock out the few treasures they have.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #88 on: June 19, 2014, 09:23:26 pm »
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Sorry to be a party pooper but kingdoms with PS only please! Thanks!
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #89 on: June 19, 2014, 09:46:03 pm »
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Sorry to be a party pooper but kingdoms with PS only please! Thanks!

He said replace a card with PS. He could have made a kingdom, played a bot and posted it, but he just grabbed to log and kingdom. Same thing.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2014, 10:16:26 pm »
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Sorry to be a party pooper but kingdoms with PS only please! Thanks!

He said replace a card with PS. He could have made a kingdom, played a bot and posted it, but he just grabbed to log and kingdom. Same thing.

Yeah but no. The board changes depending on which card you take out so it's not analyzing one specific board.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #91 on: June 25, 2014, 03:24:07 pm »
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Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Mining Village, Pirate Ship, City, Laboratory, Mandarin, Tactician, Harem, King's Court
So what you do here versus double tactician kinged pirate ship? Courted mandarins?
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2014, 03:35:41 pm »
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So what you do here versus double tactician kinged pirate ship? Courted mandarins?
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2014, 03:36:21 pm »
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Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Mining Village, Pirate Ship, City, Laboratory, Mandarin, Tactician, Harem, King's Court
So what you do here versus double tactician kinged pirate ship? Courted mandarins?

Yeah. I think you can Court your Mandarin, put back Actions, and then Scrying Pool them back up. It's a bit wonky, but lack of quality plus buy limits what Pirate Ship guy can do anyway, does it not? You don't need your Treasures, in fact you're better off rid of them. Losing them speeds up you acquiring the kind of deck you want here.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2014, 03:45:43 pm »
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Wow, this challenge really helps remind you of all the things you can do without treasure.

You can totally do a Mandarin-KC thing on the boars above, with support from Tactician, Scrying pool, and a whole bunch of +action cards. As Robz always says, you'd welcome the copper trashing.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2014, 06:11:02 pm »
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You might not like an early potion thrashing though.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #96 on: June 25, 2014, 09:51:05 pm »
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Wow, this challenge really helps remind you of all the things you can do without treasure.

You can totally do a Mandarin-KC thing on the boars above, with support from Tactician, Scrying pool, and a whole bunch of +action cards. As Robz always says, you'd welcome the copper trashing.

You could but it does not mean it is good idea. You have problem that you need too many expensive cards for that strategy that switching to pirate ship will outrace it. And of course you do not open a pirate ship but potion/silver for apothecaries to reach 7 and do not play ship unless kinged.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #97 on: June 25, 2014, 10:24:35 pm »
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I have one that I played a while ago. There was virtual money but no trashing or buys. I would be surprised if there was a way around PS here. I didn't play all that well but neither did my opponent. If you look through the log you can see some pretty serious blunders on my part and that I wasn't paying attention to my opponents deck state.



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Scrying Pool, Oracle, Fortress, Militia, Noble Brigand, Pirate Ship, Procession, Silk Road, Talisman, Harem
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2014, 11:17:03 pm »
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Bringing this up one last time. I don't feel comfortable naming a winner for mine or SCSN's boards yet. I think Robz wins mine and PS wins SCSN's? Help me out here! You can find the links to the boards in the first post.
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Re: Robz vs Pirate Ship
« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2014, 11:37:00 pm »
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Bringing this up one last time. I don't feel comfortable naming a winner for mine or SCSN's boards yet. I think Robz wins mine and PS wins SCSN's? Help me out here! You can find the links to the boards in the first post.
you named Robz the winner on my board for no reason, just do it again  ::)
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