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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #600 on: May 21, 2014, 02:17:50 pm »

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« Reply #601 on: May 21, 2014, 02:31:17 pm »

Shoot, uh, vote: Nik, but I'm still catching up.  Obviously voting for survival, but I also do think he comes off as pretty scummy from what I've read so far.

Is the case on me just that I haven't posted much?  I swear I'll have more time to post after this week!  I hate being in this situation and now kind of regret having singed up for this game...I feel like town is losing a free PR and it's my fault for being in a game when I didn't have time to participate...
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« Reply #602 on: May 21, 2014, 02:32:09 pm »

Shoot, uh, vote: Nik, but I'm still catching up.  Obviously voting for survival, but I also do think he comes off as pretty scummy from what I've read so far.

Is the case on me just that I haven't posted much?  I swear I'll have more time to post after this week!  I hate being in this situation and now kind of regret having singed up for this game...I feel like town is losing a free PR and it's my fault for being in a game when I didn't have time to participate...

I chose Watchtower, the town Watcher.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #603 on: May 21, 2014, 02:35:37 pm »

Oh right, I was already voting for Nik.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #604 on: May 21, 2014, 02:37:53 pm »

Let's not lynch sp! Seriously, I prefer Nik over him at this point.

vote: Nik

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« Reply #605 on: May 21, 2014, 02:38:15 pm »

Shoot, uh, vote: Nik, but I'm still catching up.  Obviously voting for survival, but I also do think he comes off as pretty scummy from what I've read so far.

Is the case on me just that I haven't posted much?  I swear I'll have more time to post after this week!  I hate being in this situation and now kind of regret having singed up for this game...I feel like town is losing a free PR and it's my fault for being in a game when I didn't have time to participate...

I chose Watchtower, the town Watcher.

What do we do about this ? Watcher is pretty good, and any fakeclaim is somewhat risky here... also I don't think that's the role scum would most want to out (it's good, but it's no Cop).
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #606 on: May 21, 2014, 02:42:55 pm »

I agree; let's lynch nik instead. vote:nik
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #607 on: May 21, 2014, 02:43:54 pm »

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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #608 on: May 21, 2014, 02:44:11 pm »

Well we only have.. 8 hours for an alternative.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #609 on: May 21, 2014, 02:45:00 pm »

I don't really want to vote Nik. I hate lynching newbies on Day 1.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #610 on: May 21, 2014, 02:46:22 pm »

I don't really want to vote Nik. I hate lynching newbies on Day 1.

He's not entirely a newbie, he has one completed game already.

That being said I agree. Lynching you is marginally better (but really I'm more interested in lynching one of the X-Men).
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« Reply #611 on: May 21, 2014, 02:49:57 pm »

NO NIK LYNCH

OK, lynch Robz, lynch Joth? If we're lynchign x's, yes to xp but no to xeiron. Are there others?

Teproc, scum will always fakeclaim in this setup, true card claiming outs them as scum
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« Reply #612 on: May 21, 2014, 02:50:39 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #613 on: May 21, 2014, 02:51:44 pm »

Why Joth?  Or either of the X's?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #614 on: May 21, 2014, 02:55:01 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.

In this situation, if we get another person to claim, then we lynch one of the claims, no matter what. That's my policy for d1 to not out anything.

I have no reason to think scum got fake claims, how coudl they? It's why I originally thought massclaim would make us win at the start of the day. I wasn't expecting we'd get a full list of cards/roles.

vote: Robz
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #615 on: May 21, 2014, 02:55:10 pm »

NO NIK LYNCH

OK, lynch Robz, lynch Joth? If we're lynchign x's, yes to xp but no to xeiron. Are there others?

Teproc, scum will always fakeclaim in this setup, true card claiming outs them as scum

Yes, my point was that they wouldn't fakeclaim Watcher.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #616 on: May 21, 2014, 02:55:29 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.

Why the mafia?  Do we even know there's a mafia?   

I keep losing the role list.

Mail-Mi: Can you link the spreadsheet on the setup posts?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #617 on: May 21, 2014, 02:58:18 pm »

Shoot, uh, vote: Nik, but I'm still catching up.  Obviously voting for survival, but I also do think he comes off as pretty scummy from what I've read so far.

Is the case on me just that I haven't posted much?  I swear I'll have more time to post after this week!  I hate being in this situation and now kind of regret having singed up for this game...I feel like town is losing a free PR and it's my fault for being in a game when I didn't have time to participate...

I chose Watchtower, the town Watcher.

What do we do about this ? Watcher is pretty good, and any fakeclaim is somewhat risky here... also I don't think that's the role scum would most want to out (it's good, but it's no Cop).
Verifiable and arguably the strongest role in mafia. I say he should live.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #618 on: May 21, 2014, 03:02:02 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.

In this situation, if we get another person to claim, then we lynch one of the claims, no matter what. That's my policy for d1 to not out anything.

I have no reason to think scum got fake claims, how coudl they? It's why I originally thought massclaim would make us win at the start of the day. I wasn't expecting we'd get a full list of cards/roles.

vote: Robz

What do you mean, how could they? After all the cards had been drafted, mail-mi could have picked some town roles that were neither distributed nor discarded and given them to the scum players as fake claims. If not, scum's in a pretty rough situation in a mass claim scenario, shooting blindly for roles that happened to not be given out.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #619 on: May 21, 2014, 03:07:42 pm »

Well, Nik is pretty much null for me now.  On the one hand, his behavior really looks scummy: first he just jumps on every wagon that comes up, then after people pointed it out I think he voted for a lurker who didn't have any votes (I think it was chairs?) as if he was deliberately making sure he was doing some non-wagon votes too.  But, it's not dissimilar from how he played in HoC, where he was town, and there's this sense of "he's being way too obvious to be scum".  But at the same time, I think it would be easy for him to replicate the way he played in HoC if he were scum.  So in the end I can see any alignment being plausible.

Of course I prefer a null read lynch to a me lynch, there might be better alternatives though.  Like I think Robz might be better, but I don't think he has enough votes, and I would prefer to definitely lynch someone today, and I'm not going to be online again before the deadline (I'll be on for maybe 10-20 more minutes now).
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #620 on: May 21, 2014, 03:08:05 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.

What makes you think Nik is less likely than anyone else to be a PR ?
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« Reply #621 on: May 21, 2014, 03:08:28 pm »

I would strongly caution against going after a totally new person at this point in the day! We already outed a good PR. We don't want to accidentally out another one, or accidentally lynch one who doesn't have time to claim or doesn't check in.

I think vote: Nik is a lot better.

Did the mafia get fakeclaims in this game? Pretty rough on them if they didn't, since we have a complete list of cards which correspond to role and alignment.

In this situation, if we get another person to claim, then we lynch one of the claims, no matter what. That's my policy for d1 to not out anything.

I have no reason to think scum got fake claims, how coudl they? It's why I originally thought massclaim would make us win at the start of the day. I wasn't expecting we'd get a full list of cards/roles.

vote: Robz

What do you mean, how could they? After all the cards had been drafted, mail-mi could have picked some town roles that were neither distributed nor discarded and given them to the scum players as fake claims. If not, scum's in a pretty rough situation in a mass claim scenario, shooting blindly for roles that happened to not be given out.

There is about 80 town roles to choose from. ~70 of them is not taken. Thats pretty good chances to get a successful fakeclaim. And if scum really was afraid of being counterclaimed, they could claim a card there is more than one copy of. I think scum does great without mod-given fakeclaims.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #622 on: May 21, 2014, 03:08:43 pm »

Vote: robz
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« Reply #623 on: May 21, 2014, 03:10:42 pm »

Wait a minute. There are 139 roles in this game.

Which is more likely? We happened to randomly pick "the strongest role in mafia" as our lurker lynch? or we picked an anti-town player and he claimed the role that would keep him alive?

Even without a mod-supplied fakeclaim, with 122 roles to choose from* and only 15 possible counterclaims, he had an 87.7 percent chance of going uncounterclaimed. Even in the other case, he outs a powerful role for his team.

Why are we all buying this? vote: scott

*139-16 discards-his own actual role
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« Reply #624 on: May 21, 2014, 03:12:04 pm »

Because that would also be giving scum information (hey! These roles aren't in the game!)

Or maybe that's balanced? I dunno, I'm still confused how the duplicate cards work in that spreadhseet anyway.
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