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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #250 on: May 15, 2014, 10:22:26 pm »

Just because someone has humorous tone to their vote doesn't mean they don't intend to follow through. Do you think Robz is town? Why?

I don't think his post indicates alignment one way or the other.  And I do not think "hey let's  quicklynch Robz for funsies" is a sensible strategy.

If people really do think he's scum from his post, fine, but I don't.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #251 on: May 16, 2014, 01:48:06 am »

Vote: TA

I'm admittiedly a little drunk, but I feel like Teproc is talking sense.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #252 on: May 16, 2014, 02:06:37 am »

Vote: TA

Now we're getting somewhere!
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #253 on: May 16, 2014, 04:31:22 am »

I believe Axxle is our best bet for hitting scum today.

-He likes to play scum.
-He claimed to to pick the scummy card in the first draft.
-He had at least one scummy card to choose from in the second draft.

Vote: Axxle
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #254 on: May 16, 2014, 04:54:30 am »

I believe Axxle is our best bet for hitting scum today.

-He likes to play scum.
-He claimed to to pick the scummy card in the first draft.
-He had at least one scummy card to choose from in the second draft.

Vote: Axxle
Yeah but no.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #255 on: May 16, 2014, 08:50:19 am »

Mmmmmmm I want to vote for all the "big" wagons!
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #256 on: May 16, 2014, 11:00:37 am »

I believe Axxle is our best bet for hitting scum today.

-He likes to play scum.
-He claimed to to pick the scummy card in the first draft.
-He had at least one scummy card to choose from in the second draft.

Vote: Axxle

I think this is the most compelling thing so far.  Axxle was also the first to bring up "discarding Attack cards make you less likely to be scum":

PPE 2: It's card of hard to analyze what people discarded because no one knew what they were.
Most? of the attack cards are scum roles and I would assume people could guess that. Those who discarded attack cards are probably? less likely to be scum and those who discarded nonattack cards are more likely? to be scum.

It's minor but maybe something to go on for now.

And he pointed out without prompting that he discarded an attack card the first time.

Vote: Axxle
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #257 on: May 16, 2014, 11:13:30 am »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #258 on: May 16, 2014, 11:15:26 am »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #259 on: May 16, 2014, 11:21:28 am »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

Yes, this.  Or perhaps to detract suspicion of being so gung-ho about the Robz wagon.  If wagoning is just something he likes, then the eagerness to lynch Robz on the first actual day is not an alignment tell.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #260 on: May 16, 2014, 12:04:54 pm »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

I'd consider voting him to join the wagon, except I have a town read on him, so I'm not going to. Isn't that what I just said?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #261 on: May 16, 2014, 12:28:30 pm »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

I'd consider voting him to join the wagon, except I have a town read on him, so I'm not going to. Isn't that what I just said?

Isn't that not what he asked? 
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #262 on: May 16, 2014, 12:40:03 pm »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

I'd consider voting him to join the wagon, except I have a town read on him, so I'm not going to. Isn't that what I just said?

Isn't that not what he asked? 

I see we're deliberately trying to sow confusion by using double negation...

TA's position makes sense here : wagons are good, they create interactions, make votes meaningful etc.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #263 on: May 16, 2014, 12:44:03 pm »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

I'd consider voting him to join the wagon, except I have a town read on him, so I'm not going to. Isn't that what I just said?

Isn't that not what he asked? 

I see we're deliberately trying to sow confusion by using double negation...

TA's position makes sense here : wagons are good, they create interactions, make votes meaningful etc.

Sure wagons are good. But joining one just to join when you don't really think the person is scummy is in itself a scummy behavior.
If you're town, wagons give you good material to analyze. But it seems counterproductive to join one just for the sake of joining it.

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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #264 on: May 16, 2014, 12:45:15 pm »

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.
Why would you even consider wagoning him if you have a town read on him?
Just for fun?

I'd consider voting him to join the wagon, except I have a town read on him, so I'm not going to. Isn't that what I just said?

Isn't that not what he asked? 

I see we're deliberately trying to sow confusion by using double negation...

TA's position makes sense here : wagons are good, they create interactions, make votes meaningful etc.

But it seems like it should be: hey, I think this person might be scum, so I should therefore vote for them.  Not: hey, there is a wagon on this person, so I should vote unless I can convince myself of a town read.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #265 on: May 16, 2014, 12:47:56 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #266 on: May 16, 2014, 12:50:04 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

This I agree with. Feels like TA feels like he has to justify the way he's playing, which is scummy.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #267 on: May 16, 2014, 12:50:20 pm »

I don't get the confusion, I have a town read on him so I'm not voting him, if I didn't have a town read on him I'd consider joining the wagon, what's unclear/confusing about that? You can ask me for clarification but when the original statement is clear you aren't gonna get anything by asking for repeated clarifications.
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« Reply #268 on: May 16, 2014, 12:51:28 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

Exactly. It's this. "I feel one way, but I'm not going to actually follow through on it". Hedging/covering yourself that reads scummy to me.

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« Reply #269 on: May 16, 2014, 12:53:06 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

Because I like wagons? I understand your point on wagons but I disagree with it.

Re: Teproc, people ask questions I answer. It's ridiculous to ask someone a question asking for further justification, and then call that person scummy because "they needed to justify what they were doing"
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #270 on: May 16, 2014, 12:53:56 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

Exactly. It's this. "I feel one way, but I'm not going to actually follow through on it". Hedging/covering yourself that reads scummy to me.

PPE: 2

K cool.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #271 on: May 16, 2014, 12:57:40 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

Because I like wagons? I understand your point on wagons but I disagree with it.

Re: Teproc, people ask questions I answer. It's ridiculous to ask someone a question asking for further justification, and then call that person scummy because "they needed to justify what they were doing"

I wasn't referring to the answers you gave, but to the original statement. You felt the need to say that you were tempted to get on a wagon, but didn't want to because you had a town read. That was not in answer to any unnecessary request for clarification.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #272 on: May 16, 2014, 12:58:45 pm »

But more to the point, why is TA pointing out to us that he would want to vote for the sake of being on a wagon in the first place?  He could have simply stated that he doesn't agree with the votes and has a town read on Axxle.

Because I like wagons? I understand your point on wagons but I disagree with it.

Re: Teproc, people ask questions I answer. It's ridiculous to ask someone a question asking for further justification, and then call that person scummy because "they needed to justify what they were doing"

No one asked you about Axxle, you brought up your enjoyment of wagons and your read of Axxle unprompted.  (in case it's unclear, I'm referring to this post:

Well I kinda want to wagon Axxle, but I have a town read on him thus far.

That serves as a justification of your eagerness to have a big Robz wagon, which is what Teproc was referring to as your "scummy" play.

PPE: Teproc said it too
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #273 on: May 16, 2014, 01:02:34 pm »

Right, I like wagons, and I'd like to have one on Axxle, BUT, I think he's town, so I don't want to vote him. Oh look, this is the exact same thing I said
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 1!)
« Reply #274 on: May 16, 2014, 01:05:09 pm »

Right, I like wagons, and I'd like to have one on Axxle, BUT, I think he's town, so I don't want to vote him. Oh look, this is the exact same thing I said

What ? I get the feeling that you're not reading the same thread. I'm saying that you're scummy (among other things) for feeling the need to express this, not disagreeing with the sentiment itself.
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