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Exception to the rule, part 4
« on: December 03, 2011, 01:40:13 pm »
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You play Oracle and your opponent reveals an Estate and a Tunnel.  When would you discard that instead of leaving it on top?

There's all sorts of convoluted answers for this, but I can think of one fairly likely, not-implausible reason.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2011, 02:34:21 pm »
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Not sure if this counts or is even what you're looking for, but you're playing your opponent's turn with Possession, play Oracle from your opponent's hand, reveal Estate and Tunnel, and discard them, gaining a Gold for yourself.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2011, 02:40:16 pm »
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Not sure if this counts or is even what you're looking for, but you're playing your opponent's turn with Possession, play Oracle from your opponent's hand, reveal Estate and Tunnel, and discard them, gaining a Gold for yourself.
Not what I was looking for, but it definitely counts.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2011, 03:21:08 pm »
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Various degrees of convolution:

-You want to empty the Gold pile for some reason
-They're playing some actions engine and you want to gum up their deck (probably counts as convoluted since they'd probably have to have gotten the Tunnel from Masquerade)
They don't have to reveal
-You're about to possess them near the end of the game, and they probably have +cards in their hand.
-They're running Wishing Well and have a lot of discard, so you figure they'll probably be able to discard it on their turn anyway, and you want to deny a free +2 cards.
-You know they have Witch in hand and those are the last two cards in the draw, or some other cycling situation.
-You know they have Crossroads (and some other draw or more Crossroads) in hand
-You know they have Scout and discard in hand.
-It's a 3 player game and you want to help them since you're ahead and they're doing the worst, to solidify your lead in Provinces/Colonies
-You're pretty much screwing them with pirate ship and trashing most of their golds. Similarly, with Thief/Noble Brigand
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2011, 03:46:15 pm »
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You don't want to draw cards off of the tribute in your hand(maybe you already drew your deck or something).
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 05:28:40 pm »
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A generalised case that you've played possession and you want a better draw on your possessed turn.

You're going to play a saboteur and you want to hit something better than the tunnel, plus some other more contrived highway-golem-oracle-saboteur scenarios.

After playing a king's court x bureaucrat you know that your opponent has exactly a wishing well, warehouse, and crossroads left in hand.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2011, 10:23:32 am »
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It's nearing the end of the game, they are far from a reshuffle, and you know that they are playing a baron strategy and have non-terminal draws available to them (especially if you've played cutpurse).
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2011, 11:47:52 am »
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They are playing some Scout-Crossroads-Secret Chamber engine.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2011, 11:49:21 am »
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My answer: There are exactly two cards in their deck, none in the discard, and Noble Brigand is available to purchase.  By discarding those, there's a good chance he'll instinctively grab the gold and you can nab it with a $4 buy.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2011, 12:47:34 pm »
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My answer: There are exactly two cards in their deck, none in the discard, and Noble Brigand is available to purchase.  By discarding those, there's a good chance he'll instinctively grab the gold and you can nab it with a $4 buy.
I don't think that's going to be a very good idea very often... You're brigand is likely to hit their tunnel again, giving them ANOTHER gold, so you end up with: a 1/3 chance of you having a gold and them not; a 1/3 chance of each of you having a gold, and a 1/3 chance of your opponent having 2 golds (and a copper). And you had to buy a noble brigand to do this. Eh, I guess you do it sometimes, but seems pretty convoluted.

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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2011, 01:06:52 pm »
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My answer: There are exactly two cards in their deck, none in the discard, and Noble Brigand is available to purchase.  By discarding those, there's a good chance he'll instinctively grab the gold and you can nab it with a $4 buy.
I don't think that's going to be a very good idea very often... You're brigand is likely to hit their tunnel again, giving them ANOTHER gold, so you end up with: a 1/3 chance of you having a gold and them not; a 1/3 chance of each of you having a gold, and a 1/3 chance of your opponent having 2 golds (and a copper). And you had to buy a noble brigand to do this. Eh, I guess you do it sometimes, but seems pretty convoluted.
Well, Noble Brigand reveals 2 cards.  So you're guaranteed to hit the Gold.  It's a 1/3 chance of you with a Gold and him not, and a 2/3 chance of both of you gaining a Gold.  Better than the alternative, which is no Gold for either side.
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2011, 01:37:31 pm »
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You're not guaranteed to hit the Gold because the NB could just reveal the Tunnel and the Estate again...
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Re: Exception to the rule, part 4
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2011, 02:15:28 pm »
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Wow I'm dumb.
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