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[MarkowKette]

Now we are getting to the very good cards.

I wouldn't rate Soothsayer that much worse than Witch though.
I'm pretty sure they shouldn't be 10 ranks or more from each other.
I agree that Witch is better overall, but Soothsayer can sometimes really shine in engines with trash for benefit.
In games without trashing i would often take Soothsayer over Witch aswell although it has to be a close call.
If there is also good sifting and draw, like minstrel+ wharf then Witch is almoast definitely the way to go though.

I would also say that Butcher is better than Upgrade overall.
Butcher- BM is just already soo fast, and Butcher can also do crazy stuff in engines (especially with Kings Court)

[ChocophileBenj]

"Counterfeit is the first of the three cards in this list that was criminally underrated last year"

I guess Rebuild is the 3rd one, but the 2nd one is... Junk dealer ?

Anyway, it's amazing how Dark Ages cards were ranked differently from previous year. Now I can't wait to get next year to see what it'll be about Guilds cards.

[Tables]

"Counterfeit is the first of the three cards in this list that was criminally underrated last year"

I guess Rebuild is the 3rd one, but the 2nd one is... Junk dealer ?

Anyway, it's amazing how Dark Ages cards were ranked differently from previous year. Now I can't wait to get next year to see what it'll be about Guilds cards.

We haven't seen Junk Dealer yet, right? And we've seen all the Guilds cards so it's very likely a DA card. And Junk Dealer was 32nd last time, so yeah, it's gotta be that. A rise of 21 or more ranks is definitely in the running for being "criminally underrated"

I kinda feel smug that I thought Junk Dealer should have been higher way back then, but then again, I probably wouldn't have expected it to be a top 10 cards which it might be now (maybe 11th).

[Awaclus]

Soothsayer is a bit overrated for the curse dealing, I guess. It's really not that strong.

The Curse dealing part isn't that strong, but gaining free Golds is very strong.

[terminalCopper]

Let's start the guessing:

1.) Rebuild
2.) Cultist
3.) Mountebank
4.) Wharf
5.) Witch
6.) Hunting Party
7.) Governor
8.) IGGs
9.) Junk Dealer
10.) Torturer
11.) Minion

[assemble_me]

1.) Rebuild
2.) Cultist
3.) Mountebank
4.) Wharf
5.) Witch

Do you really think Rebuild is No. 1? I can't believe that Cultist can be before the cursers, either.
I'd guess:
1) Mountebank
2) Witch
3) Rebuild
4) Wharf
5) Cultist

[silverspawn]

1.) Rebuild
2.) Cultist
3.) Mountebank
4.) Wharf
5.) Witch

Do you really think Rebuild is No. 1? I can't believe that Cultist can be before the cursers, either.
I'd guess:
1) Mountebank
2) Witch
3) Rebuild
4) Wharf
5) Cultist

swap witch and rebuild and i guess the exact same thing. wouldn't agree with it though.

as for part 5, butcher is too low. man the card is good. i'm kinda surprised its just 2 ranks lower in the unweighted list, it seems like the most easy to underrate 5$ card for me. either way, it's great for lots of things and rarely skippable

[GeoLib]

Chiming in that I'm pretty sure Butcher and Apprentice are underrated

[BraveBear]

Apprentice is fine where it is.  It really needs some sort of gainer to be affective.  Yeah it can really speed up the end game if you already have a good engine but I feel that most of the time Apprenticing coppers and even estates is so weak.

[Beyond Awesome]

Butcher is underrated. Apprentice is fine where it is. I'm not sure where I ranked Butcher, but an argument could be made that it is top 10 material.

[soulnet]

I think Apprentice is fine, but Tactitian and Soothsayer are a bit overrated. Neither is better than Butcher, and I would move Soothsayer below Stables. I really think Soothsayer is only suited for BM decks and narrowly into TfB heavy engines, when Gold gaining can be nice. I think it is the most skippable of the Cursers.

Also, I think IGG is a bit overrated as well. I mean, it is kind of like Soothsayer, I would put them close. IGG rush used to be strong, but I don't see it as much now.

Regarding top 5, I would guess:

1. Rebuild
2. Mountebank
3. Witch
4. Cultist
5. Wharf

Although I would rank them

1. Mountebank
2. Cultist
3. Rebuild
4. Witch
5. Wharf

[hvb]

Let's start the guessing:

1.) Rebuild
2.) Cultist
3.) Mountebank
4.) Wharf
5.) Witch
6.) Hunting Party
7.) Governor
8.) IGGs
9.) Junk Dealer
10.) Torturer
11.) Minion

I predict that Cultist will be the winner and Witch the loser in this years Top 11:

1.) Cultist 
2.) Mountebank 
3.) Rebuild
4.) Wharf
5.) Witch
6.) Hunting Party
7.) Governor   
8.) IGG
9.) Minion
10.) Torturer
11.) Junk Dealer

My Ranking:
1.) Rebuild   [X]
2.) Wharf   [X]
3.) Cultist   [X]
4.) Mountebank   [X]
5.) Hunting Party   [X]
6.) Minion   [X]
7.) Governor   [X]
8.) Witch   [X]
9.) Ill-Gotten Gains   [X]
10.) Tactician   [X]
11.) Apprentice   [X]

[ChocophileBenj]

Let's start the contest !

#11
Junk dealer
Minion
Torturer
Governor
Hunting Party
IGGs
Cultist
Wharf
Rebuild
Witch
Mountebank
#1
So Rebuild+things that deal junk (ba dum tss) are the winners for me. It's only a prediction.

[silverspawn]

Do some more people want to throw in their guesses for the top 5? let's make a mini contest, for every card in your list you get a number of points equal to the difference of your prediction and the real position, least points win, winner gets nothing 

[jaybeez]

Two really egregious errors in part five here: Ghost Ship over Margrave and Lab over Stables are both wrong, wrong, wrong.  Especially the former, +3 Cards and +1 Buy is just so much better than +2 Cards, and Ghost Ship's attack isn't even necessarily stronger, though it sometimes is.  Lab/Stables is a closer call.

[silverspawn]

Two really egregious errors in part five here: Ghost Ship over Margrave and Lab over Stables are both wrong, wrong, wrong.  Especially the former, +3 Cards and +1 Buy is just so much better than +2 Cards, and Ghost Ship's attack isn't even necessarily stronger, though it sometimes is.  Lab/Stables is a closer call.

disagree, ghost ship's attack  often is way way better than margrave's attack. in slogs, if you draw one card and then discard three, your hand is often better because of it. top decking 2 cards on the other hand is huge, you often either have to give up your current or your next hand.

on powerful engine boards, margrave will increase your chance to draw your whole deck, while ghost ship will decrease it. these two take up a reasonable amount of all games. generally, i feel like the situations in which ghost ship is better outweight the ones in which they're simliar or margrave is better, and quite often ghost ship's attack is worlds better.

+1 card is a big difference though, i'm not sure which of both i rated higher, but they're probably really close

[sudgy]

Two really egregious errors in part five here: Ghost Ship over Margrave and Lab over Stables are both wrong, wrong, wrong.  Especially the former, +3 Cards and +1 Buy is just so much better than +2 Cards, and Ghost Ship's attack isn't even necessarily stronger, though it sometimes is.  Lab/Stables is a closer call.

disagree, ghost ship's attack  often is way way better than margrave's attack. in slogs, if you draw one card and then discard three, your hand is often better because of it. top decking 2 cards on the other hand is huge, you often either have to give up your current or your next hand.

on powerful engine boards, margrave will increase your chance to draw your whole deck, while ghost ship will decrease it. these two take up a reasonable amount of all games. generally, i feel like the situations in which ghost ship is better outweight the ones in which they're simliar or margrave is better, and quite often ghost ship's attack is worlds better.

+1 card is a big difference though, i'm not sure which of both i rated higher, but they're probably really close

+1 Buy is pretty big too for an engine.

[Awaclus]

My top 5:

1.) Rebuild   [X]
2.) Cultist   [X]
3.) Mountebank   [X]
4.) Witch   [X]
5.) Wharf   [X]

Would rank Junk Dealer at #4 now.

Predictions:

1.) Rebuild
2.) Mountebank
3.) Cultist
4.) Witch
5.) Junk Dealer

[BraveBear]

My Predictions:

1. Rebuild
2. Cultist
3. Mountebank
4. Wharf
5. Junk Dealer

I really want Witch to be #6 and Junk Dealer to be #5

There are so many games where Junk Dealer makes an engine kick off immediately.  Personally my favorite card in the game.

[Beyond Awesome]

Here is how I ranked them

1. Mountebank
2. Rebuild
3. Witch
4. Cultist
I think 5 was Wharf

[HiveMindEmulator]

Two really egregious errors in part five here: Ghost Ship over Margrave and Lab over Stables are both wrong, wrong, wrong.  Especially the former, +3 Cards and +1 Buy is just so much better than +2 Cards, and Ghost Ship's attack isn't even necessarily stronger, though it sometimes is.  Lab/Stables is a closer call.

disagree, ghost ship's attack  often is way way better than margrave's attack. in slogs, if you draw one card and then discard three, your hand is often better because of it. top decking 2 cards on the other hand is huge, you often either have to give up your current or your next hand.

on powerful engine boards, margrave will increase your chance to draw your whole deck, while ghost ship will decrease it. these two take up a reasonable amount of all games. generally, i feel like the situations in which ghost ship is better outweight the ones in which they're simliar or margrave is better, and quite often ghost ship's attack is worlds better.

+1 card is a big difference though, i'm not sure which of both i rated higher, but they're probably really close

+1 Buy is pretty big too for an engine.

I would rate Margrave better because the self-benefit is soooo much better. 2 cards isn't even close to 3 cards and a buy. 3 cards is roughly twice as good as 2 cards (since it's net +2 hand size vs +1 hand size), and buys are important. The Ghost Ship attack is a LOT better against money strategies (like it's not even close), but vs engines, it's not really much stronger. The presence of Ghost Ship is going to discourage big money strategies, which means you're more likely to be in an engine mirror, where it's not as powerful. It's the same issue as with ranking Noble Brigand. It's existence is important to shut down big money, but if everyone is playing with this awareness, the card ends up not doing so much.

[Awaclus]

3 cards is roughly twice as good as 2 cards (since it's net +2 hand size vs +1 hand size)

How good is 2 cards compared to 1 card then?

[HiveMindEmulator]

3 cards is roughly twice as good as 2 cards (since it's net +2 hand size vs +1 hand size)

How good is 2 cards compared to 1 card then?

Moat is infinitely better than Ruined Library.

[SCSN]

1. Rebuild
2. Cultist
3. Mountebank
4. Witch
5. Wharf

I keep changing my mind every other day whether Mountebank or Witch is the better card. Within this top 5 the gap between 2 and 3 is the largest.

[ehunt]

Im pretty sure Soothsayer is terrible. Rebut me!