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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #125 on: April 21, 2014, 02:31:00 pm »

How many votes on Jorbles?

Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.

Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color?  I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later?  But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons.  If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
There are more colors that you aren't than colors that you are. You have more enemies than you have friends.  We're basically all 'scum' because of that. You shouldn't want to claim in that situation.

I agree with this.

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #126 on: April 21, 2014, 03:10:28 pm »

Well, I was running on the "different colors have different wincons" assumption, and since your color needs people that aren't your color lynched, I figured anybody your color wants that, making your color the "Mafia" variant of this game.

Yeah but I'm asking how will you know when you find a player of my color?  I guess you're saying if other people will claim their colors later?  But I'm also not sure why I (or others of my color after I've claimed) wouldn't just lie, maybe I claim your color (by coincidence) and then you assume you were wrong and that people of the same color can have different wincons.  If I claim color X then maybe people start assuming X is bad, and the people who actually are X lie about their color to protect themselves, and then nobody has any idea whose team anyone is on.
There are more colors that you aren't than colors that you are. You have more enemies than you have friends.  We're basically all 'scum' because of that. You shouldn't want to claim in that situation.

Yeah that's what I was saying (I can't tell if you think you're agreeing or disagreeing with me).
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #127 on: April 21, 2014, 03:16:21 pm »

Fair enough.  Let's vote: Jorbles then!

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #128 on: April 21, 2014, 03:18:57 pm »

Fair enough.  Let's vote: Jorbles then!

Wait why?  What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?

I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors. 
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #129 on: April 21, 2014, 03:28:51 pm »

Fair enough.  Let's vote: Jorbles then!

Wait why?  What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?

I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors.

Imbalance? Like in mafia? Oh wait, we are playing mafia
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #130 on: April 21, 2014, 03:34:06 pm »

Fair enough.  Let's vote: Jorbles then!

Wait why?  What makes you think your one-wincon-per-color assumption holds?

I think that would lead to an imbalance of the colors.

Imbalance? Like in mafia? Oh wait, we are playing mafia

Yeah but not a Town vs. Mafia game of Mafia.  This is, like, Team A vs. Team B vs. Team C vs. Team D type of Mafia.  (Not sure how many teams there are.)  One of the teams may be the "Mafia" team, or maybe not.  But I think the rest would be symmetric.

I could be wrong about this, it's just my hunch so far.  I guess my concern is one team having a win con that's easier to satisfy than another team.  That could still be the case by giving teams different/better powers in order to make their win con as attainable as the others.

Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (2 more players needed!)
« Reply #131 on: April 21, 2014, 03:57:50 pm »

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #132 on: April 21, 2014, 04:00:40 pm »

Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?

No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (2 more players needed!)
« Reply #133 on: April 21, 2014, 04:12:06 pm »

Can you recap what "BM" means?
Bastard Mafia. Probably crazy roles and no guarantee of balance.
This.

Okay, I had forgotten about that.  Good point.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #134 on: April 21, 2014, 04:12:44 pm »

Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?

No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT

But you do know what your win-con says.  You may be able to deduce the similarity or difference in it based on what people have said in here or in QTs.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #135 on: April 21, 2014, 05:53:33 pm »

Does anything you know indicate things one way or another?

No. I know nothing outside my role PM, this thread and everyone's QT

YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #136 on: April 21, 2014, 06:28:07 pm »

This game is not low time-commitment! I want a refund!

vote: axxle
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #137 on: April 21, 2014, 06:30:04 pm »

This game is not low time-commitment! I want a refund!

vote: axxle
Don't think to hard and vote for Jorbles and this game will be pretty low time commitment.

Vote: Jorbles
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #138 on: April 21, 2014, 06:35:46 pm »

Here's the best argument against lynching me:
My win condition indicates that I am in a decently sized faction. I am not going to claim my colour just yet, but I will say this. I win if 4 people from my faction are alive at game end. That indicates to me that there are at least 4 people from my faction in the game and if we assume that some amount of people from my faction can die and I still win, I am probably in the largest faction in the game. Which means that some of the people voting for me are probably in my faction.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #139 on: April 21, 2014, 06:40:35 pm »

Unvote.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #140 on: April 21, 2014, 09:13:09 pm »

Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #141 on: April 21, 2014, 09:29:59 pm »

Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.

Huh.. I didn't think of that.  I would be alright with it.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #142 on: April 21, 2014, 10:34:07 pm »

So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red?  If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #143 on: April 21, 2014, 10:36:28 pm »

So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red?  If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #144 on: April 21, 2014, 10:37:21 pm »

So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red?  If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(

I take it you're not red?

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #145 on: April 21, 2014, 10:38:37 pm »

So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red?  If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(

I take it you're not red?
I assumed sudgy wanted everyone to check the QT because he was impersonating me.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #146 on: April 21, 2014, 10:46:30 pm »

So, as I asked in the quicktopic, who's red?  If you can somehow tell me, it will benefit you tonight!
>:(

I take it you're not red?
I assumed sudgy wanted everyone to check the QT because he was impersonating me.

Ok. I'm really confused now, but whatever. I'll have to look for the stars.

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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #147 on: April 22, 2014, 06:52:45 am »

Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
That's not a bad idea. ('Mystery Man' already has claimed, in fact.) It could also tell us if players in the same color have different wincons or the same wincon; plus if there are any black-aligned players at the start of the game (or if they were changed over the course of the first day.) I'm all for it.
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #148 on: April 22, 2014, 12:43:56 pm »

Thought: Have everyone claim in the Everyone QT under a pseudonym, just so we have an idea of how many of each color there are and can play accordingly.
That's not a bad idea. ('Mystery Man' already has claimed, in fact.) It could also tell us if players in the same color have different wincons or the same wincon; plus if there are any black-aligned players at the start of the game (or if they were changed over the course of the first day.) I'm all for it.
mystery man is what gave me the idea (as well as someone mentioning he did so since I missed it the first time)
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Re: BM16: Rainbow Mafia (Day One!)
« Reply #149 on: April 22, 2014, 04:47:49 pm »

Winning team of this game should definitely get Skittles.
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