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Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« on: March 30, 2014, 05:30:36 pm »
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So yeah, I'm writing a novel!  I've gotten to ~64K words at this point (as of this post), and I would love it if you guys would read it and give me feedback!

It's called The Broken Globe.  The main gist is that three siblings go on a quest for a mystical artifact.  I know that sounds cliche, but there's definitely more to it, but most of that is not so much the setup as the plot.  The setup is quite simple, I'll grant you.  They fight monsters, meet interesting people, combat natural disasters, and have philosophical debates on the nature of, well, nature, among other things.  But there is more!  There is intrigue and foreshadowing and metaphors!  All sorts of writer-y things.

Let me know what you think!

Link to the current draft: https://docs.google.com/document/d/10IQ0WWETthRXMdEV15udbOj9RXLCJ8kj7GRiEKlMbSo/edit?pli=1
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2014, 09:32:31 pm »
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That's awesome, sounds cool. Haven't actually read it yet but when I do I'll post something.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2014, 01:32:34 am »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2014, 01:54:04 am »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2014, 10:10:07 am »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2014, 01:26:46 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 01:31:16 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?

It reminds me of something I read somewhere:

There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2014, 01:39:32 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?

It reminds me of something I read somewhere:

There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.

I didn't realize an eclipse constituted a dangerous situation.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2014, 01:40:22 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?

It reminds me of something I read somewhere:

There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.

I didn't realize an eclipse constituted a dangerous situation.

Staring at it is dangerous.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2014, 04:01:16 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?
Donald is making a joke on your warning of mature content by providing harsh language, a dangerous situation, and sexuality, except to a significantly lesser degree than what you meant. Insulting someone's work, such as saying "Your poem was awful" could be considered harsh language, but is hardly something that needs to be warned about. By stating that Joe is a male he is making a point of Joe's sex, which could count as sexuality. What you meant by there being sexuality throughout the story is obviously totally different. Finally, staring at an eclipse can be a dangerous thing to do because you could be blinded, but isn't what you generally think of when it comes to dangerous situations. By taking your warnings and providing an example of how what you said could be interpreted, Donald makes a joke on the various degrees of content warnings. And now his joke is funny because I explained it to you.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2014, 04:28:41 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?
Donald is making a joke on your warning of mature content by providing harsh language, a dangerous situation, and sexuality, except to a significantly lesser degree than what you meant. Insulting someone's work, such as saying "Your poem was awful" could be considered harsh language, but is hardly something that needs to be warned about. By stating that Joe is a male he is making a point of Joe's sex, which could count as sexuality. What you meant by there being sexuality throughout the story is obviously totally different. Finally, staring at an eclipse can be a dangerous thing to do because you could be blinded, but isn't what you generally think of when it comes to dangerous situations. By taking your warnings and providing an example of how what you said could be interpreted, Donald makes a joke on the various degrees of content warnings. And now his joke is funny because I explained it to you.

It depresses me that this sort of thing has leaked out of the memes thread.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2014, 07:41:55 pm »
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I will watch the movie when it comes out.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2014, 08:41:44 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
"Your poem was awful," said Joe, a male, as he stared at an eclipse.

...is this a reference of some kind?
Donald is making a joke on your warning of mature content by providing harsh language, a dangerous situation, and sexuality, except to a significantly lesser degree than what you meant. Insulting someone's work, such as saying "Your poem was awful" could be considered harsh language, but is hardly something that needs to be warned about. By stating that Joe is a male he is making a point of Joe's sex, which could count as sexuality. What you meant by there being sexuality throughout the story is obviously totally different. Finally, staring at an eclipse can be a dangerous thing to do because you could be blinded, but isn't what you generally think of when it comes to dangerous situations. By taking your warnings and providing an example of how what you said could be interpreted, Donald makes a joke on the various degrees of content warnings. And now his joke is funny because I explained it to you.

It depresses me that this sort of thing has leaked out of the memes thread.

You don't want jokes to be anywhere but the meme thread?
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2014, 09:29:30 pm »
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I will absolutely read this, but give me a week to get to it. I'll take a look at it during my work hours (during down time) and I am off for a week.

Way cool and thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2014, 09:31:40 pm »
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I will watch the movie when it comes out.

I thank you for your optimism!

I will absolutely read this, but give me a week to get to it. I'll take a look at it during my work hours (during down time) and I am off for a week.

Way cool and thanks for sharing!

You're quite welcome!  Thank you for reading!
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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2014, 09:44:56 pm »
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I will watch the movie when it comes out.

I thank you for your optimism!

Just to make sure you take this as a compliment: This is exactly the same policiy I used on Tolkien's and J. K. Rowling's writings.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2014, 07:30:40 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
Is it really that necessary to have an age rating on your book? If someone finds it too intensive, they can just stop reading. It's not like anyone will be traumatized by words that they already know.

FWIW I have been playing RuneQuest since I was 10 and the scenarios have always contained harsh language, dangerous (player characters having to resort to cannibalism tier) situations and sexuality, and half the time I have been the one coming up with them. I don't think that has really affected me in any way except for getting me hooked up on RQ.
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2014, 01:41:22 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
Is it really that necessary to have an age rating on your book? If someone finds it too intensive, they can just stop reading. It's not like anyone will be traumatized by words that they already know.

FWIW I have been playing RuneQuest since I was 10 and the scenarios have always contained harsh language, dangerous (player characters having to resort to cannibalism tier) situations and sexuality, and half the time I have been the one coming up with them. I don't think that has really affected me in any way except for getting me hooked up on RQ.

I played Vice City as a kid, and only when I went back to it years later did I understand what they were talking about.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2014, 02:29:07 pm »
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Just remembered there are younger members on the forum: as a warning, this story is definitely for 16+.  There is harsh language, dangerous situations, and sexuality throughout.
Is it really that necessary to have an age rating on your book? If someone finds it too intensive, they can just stop reading. It's not like anyone will be traumatized by words that they already know.

FWIW I have been playing RuneQuest since I was 10 and the scenarios have always contained harsh language, dangerous (player characters having to resort to cannibalism tier) situations and sexuality, and half the time I have been the one coming up with them. I don't think that has really affected me in any way except for getting me hooked up on RQ.

Age ratings can be helpful.  Some people would rather not read certain things, even if they wouldn't be traumatized by it.  And some people actually might be traumatized by certain things, which is why "trigger warnings" are a thing on the internet.  We give ratings to video games, why not books?

Also, Donald is absolutely right that staring directly at an Eclipse is dangerous.  You should avoid it whenever possible.  You should also avoid staring directly at Twilight, New Moon and Breaking Dawn.  Repeated exposure to any of these four may cause brain damage.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2014, 02:51:10 pm »
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I will play the video game based on the film of the book.
And possibly the monopoly themed spin off.

MAN those chance cards will be interesting...
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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2014, 03:40:06 pm »
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I will play the video game based on the film of the book.
And possibly the monopoly themed spin off.

MAN those chance cards will be interesting...

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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2014, 04:10:05 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.
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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2014, 07:21:49 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
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« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2014, 07:32:39 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.
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« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2014, 08:14:31 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.

Everyone is different though.  I'm sure that some people have become desensitized to graphic violence, but reading every bloody, gory detail would be too much for them.  Again, triggers and all, and it's nice of wero to give some warning for those people who care.
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« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2014, 08:31:13 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.

I just don't see a difference. If you rate movies, games, even music that has explicit lyrics, why not put a warning on Game of Thrones for almost pornographic sex detail and gory torture scenes?
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« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2014, 08:46:32 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.

I just don't see a difference. If you rate movies, games, even music that has explicit lyrics, why not put a warning on Game of Thrones for almost pornographic sex detail and gory torture scenes?
I don't really get rating music with explicit lyrics either, though I could see rating music that has sounds of people getting killed or something. The lack of audio and moving picture makes a ton of difference, it leaves everything up to your imagination.
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« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2014, 08:49:10 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.

I just don't see a difference. If you rate movies, games, even music that has explicit lyrics, why not put a warning on Game of Thrones for almost pornographic sex detail and gory torture scenes?
I don't really get rating music with explicit lyrics either, though I could see rating music that has sounds of people getting killed or something. The lack of audio and moving picture makes a ton of difference, it leaves everything up to your imagination.

Sometimes imagination is worse.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2014, 08:52:15 pm »
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I don't really get rating music with explicit lyrics either, though I could see rating music that has sounds of people getting killed or something. The lack of audio and moving picture makes a ton of difference, it leaves everything up to your imagination.
I would like non-explicit lyrics marked, so I don't accidentally buy the censored version of something, which I have.
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2014, 08:54:02 pm »
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We give ratings to video games, why not books?
Because the sight of someone getting beheaded is much, much worse than a description of someone getting beheaded.

Have you read Game of Thrones?
No, but I have read Saya no Uta. Which is a bit weird though, since it's a visual novel and also counts as a game and actually has an age rating of 18+, but still, I had no problems reading it (I was underage back then) and I'm relatively sure that I still couldn't watch a movie based on it.

I just don't see a difference. If you rate movies, games, even music that has explicit lyrics, why not put a warning on Game of Thrones for almost pornographic sex detail and gory torture scenes?
I don't really get rating music with explicit lyrics either, though I could see rating music that has sounds of people getting killed or something. The lack of audio and moving picture makes a ton of difference, it leaves everything up to your imagination.

Sometimes imagination is worse.
I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.
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« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2014, 09:09:29 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!
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« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2014, 11:36:42 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2014, 12:07:52 am »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2014, 10:34:47 am »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.

Dude, spoilers! Not cool man, not cool.
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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2014, 01:37:56 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.

Dude, spoilers! Not cool man, not cool.

I remember one time in, like, kindergarten, where the teacher was talking about drugs or something like that, and she said that if you're going to talk about a person who takes drugs or is doing something bad, you don't say their name, you say "someone I know."  So, technically, this wasn't really a spoiler, because I said someone.
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2014, 02:17:11 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.

Dude, spoilers! Not cool man, not cool.

I remember one time in, like, kindergarten, where the teacher was talking about drugs or something like that, and she said that if you're going to talk about a person who takes drugs or is doing something bad, you don't say their name, you say "someone I know."  So, technically, this wasn't really a spoiler, because I said someone.

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« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2014, 07:15:23 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.

Dude, spoilers! Not cool man, not cool.

I remember one time in, like, kindergarten, where the teacher was talking about drugs or something like that, and she said that if you're going to talk about a person who takes drugs or is doing something bad, you don't say their name, you say "someone I know."  So, technically, this wasn't really a spoiler, because I said someone.
Actually, getting spoiled before reading something makes you enjoy the work more. So obviously werothegreat is using that to his advantage here.
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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2014, 08:09:53 pm »
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I'm not a psychologist, but somehow I don't find it very likely that anyone would be overly disturbed by anything they themselves can imagine.

You would be surprised!

Like I said, Game of Thrones. You read, then imagine, then spend ten minutes cringing at what you just pictured.

I don't think my story is quite as bad as Game of Thrones, but someone does get disemboweled at one point.

Dude, spoilers! Not cool man, not cool.

I remember one time in, like, kindergarten, where the teacher was talking about drugs or something like that, and she said that if you're going to talk about a person who takes drugs or is doing something bad, you don't say their name, you say "someone I know."  So, technically, this wasn't really a spoiler, because I said someone.
Actually, getting spoiled before reading something makes you enjoy the work more. So obviously werothegreat is using that to his advantage here.

I disagree.  There are some spoilers that would completely ruin something for me (a big example are main characters dying).
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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2014, 08:52:37 pm »
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I disagree.  There are some spoilers that would completely ruin something for me (a big example are main characters dying).
Ruin the surprise, improve the overall experience. http://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/
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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2014, 09:03:55 pm »
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I disagree.  There are some spoilers that would completely ruin something for me (a big example are main characters dying).
Ruin the surprise, improve the overall experience. http://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/

Very interesting study, but it is not at all definitive.  Some things to note:

- The study participants were predominantly female, which might skew things
- Even if the average suggests that spoilers increase enjoyment, it's still an average.  It'll be different for different individuals.
- They only used short stories for this study.

This last point is pretty huge.  If I'm going to read a short story, I won't care that much whether you spoil the ending for me.  It's a short story, I'm not invested in it.  But if I'm a huge, huge fan of a long running series, a spoiler for that can certainly ruin my day.

Pretty curious about how people feel about spoilers though.  I'm ambivalent about them.  I don't go out of my way to seek them out, but I also don't really avoid them.  Most people I talk to seem not to care either, for most things.
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2014, 09:20:31 pm »
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I disagree.  There are some spoilers that would completely ruin something for me (a big example are main characters dying).
Ruin the surprise, improve the overall experience. http://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/

Very interesting study, but it is not at all definitive.  Some things to note:

- The study participants were predominantly female, which might skew things
- Even if the average suggests that spoilers increase enjoyment, it's still an average.  It'll be different for different individuals.
- They only used short stories for this study.

This last point is pretty huge.  If I'm going to read a short story, I won't care that much whether you spoil the ending for me.  It's a short story, I'm not invested in it.  But if I'm a huge, huge fan of a long running series, a spoiler for that can certainly ruin my day.

Pretty curious about how people feel about spoilers though.  I'm ambivalent about them.  I don't go out of my way to seek them out, but I also don't really avoid them.  Most people I talk to seem not to care either, for most things.
I have pretty much always wanted to know about any major plot twists before reading, playing or watching anything. If the story is well-written, there are always things that you will understand in a completely different light when you know what is going to happen, and when the twist finally happens, my reaction is "YEAH HERE IT COMES!" rather than "Well, that was unexpected".

I don't watch ongoing TV shows for this reason.
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« Reply #44 on: April 03, 2014, 09:23:11 pm »
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I disagree.  There are some spoilers that would completely ruin something for me (a big example are main characters dying).
Ruin the surprise, improve the overall experience. http://www.wired.com/2011/08/spoilers-dont-spoil-anything/

There's a show I'm thinking of, where one of the main characters dies 3/4 of the way through the series.  With the way they built the characters, it would make all of the earlier parts of the show meaningless to know that that one character dies.

Now, I will agree that a fair amount of spoilers are okay to know beforehand (I would rather not, but that's just how I like to do things).  I was more saying that there are some that are bad to know.

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I have pretty much always wanted to know about any major plot twists before reading, playing or watching anything. If the story is well-written, there are always things that you will understand in a completely different light when you know what is going to happen, and when the twist finally happens, my reaction is "YEAH HERE IT COMES!" rather than "Well, that was unexpected".

There are some spoilers (see earlier in my post) that you would not want to come.
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« Reply #45 on: April 03, 2014, 09:26:19 pm »
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I think the rise of "spoilers" has something to do with a shift in literature (and film) from "journey" stories to "destination" stories.  Everyone knows that Oedipus kills his dad and marries his mom.  Everyone knows Romeo and Juliet die in the end.  Everyone knows that Frankenstein and his monster don't really get along that well.  And yet we still read (and watch) these stories.  In fact, in ancient Greek plays, the chorus would inform the audience beforehand what was going to happen.  The audience was far more interested in how the characters end up at the places they know they have to.

But nowadays, it's usually the end of the book/movie that is most interesting.  We find the climax and the reveal more interesting than the setup.  We like being surprised by where a story leads, and get upset when plot points are either predictable or blurted out to us by those who've read/watched it already.  Perhaps we can blame M. Night Shyamalan for this (I'm sorry, but aliens who are allergic to water just so Mel Gibson can be a priest again is the stupidest thing ever), but this is a observable trend in modern media.

However, this can be overturned again in books and movies start with the ending, or at least with characters who reveal their ending, and then we just have to keep reading/watching to see how they get there, or if they're just unreliable narrators.  I'd name examples, but hey, spoilers.  :P
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« Reply #46 on: April 03, 2014, 10:08:10 pm »
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However, this can be overturned again in books and movies start with the ending, or at least with characters who reveal their ending, and then we just have to keep reading/watching to see how they get there, or if they're just unreliable narrators.  I'd name examples, but hey, spoilers.  :P

The Kingkiller Chronicles by Patrick Rothfuss is a great series that I started reading that does this sort of thing.  The main character is introduced to the reader as an innkeeper in a remote village where he is basically hiding from the world.  The story is about how he got there.  Unfortunately, this is a very new series and it is still incomplete.  Two books are released and the third is expected to be published in August (2015) so if you want to wait to start reading until you can actually read the whole story I don't blame you.  Having one unfinished series on the shelf is bad enough (A Song of Ice and Fire).
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There's a show I'm thinking of, where one of the main characters dies 3/4 of the way through the series.  With the way they built the characters, it would make all of the earlier parts of the show meaningless to know that that one character dies.
Have you tried re-watching that show?
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« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2014, 06:53:06 am »
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I hate knowing how things turn out. I am a big fan of surprises despite my incredibly 'need to know' everything nature.

If I knew a main character died in a book and the how and when it would ruin that section of the book for me.
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« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2014, 08:33:33 am »
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I think it depends on the magnitude of the spoiler. I can tell you someone dies, but with no context it's still a surprise. However if I tell you everything, there seems little point in completing the book/movie/game.
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« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2014, 08:35:38 am »
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Are any of you actually reading my story?
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I think it depends on the magnitude of the spoiler. I can tell you someone dies, but with no context it's still a surprise. However if I tell you everything, there seems little point in completing the book/movie/game.
I read/watch/play most works at least twice. You don't?

I do, first time I get the story. Second time is to see the finer points. For games is gameplay mechanics, and to see how far I can take the game before I find all the bugs. Movies only if they are good the first time do I watch it a second time. Transformers doesn't warrent 2 watches, but I've watched Snatch at least 8-9times. Books I don't usually read twice, mostly because I'm a very slow reader, but I have read Hitchhiker's guide more than once.
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I will read it if I have time. Im currently very busy.
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Are any of you actually reading my story?

I will read it if I have time. Im currently very busy.

I hope you soon get less busy!
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I will read it if I have time. Im currently very busy.

I hope you soon get less busy!

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« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2014, 06:51:06 pm »
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I finished the first draft!  Woohoo!  *parties*

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I finished the first draft!  Woohoo!  *parties*

Now I have to edit... *stops partying*
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The book is pretty much done!  Just have some polishing to do, but I'd still love it if any of you guys/gals would take a read of it for me!  I know you're all busy, but I'd like to think I've written a good book - I promise you'll be entertained!
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Read the Prologue and started on a couple pages after that. I'm already confused with the names :P
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« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2014, 05:32:14 pm »
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Read the Prologue and started on a couple pages after that. I'm already confused with the names :P

Sorry!  The Prologue and first couple pages are a bit saturated with names, but there are only so many!
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2014, 06:43:35 pm »
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Read the Prologue and started on a couple pages after that. I'm already confused with the names :P

Sorry!  The Prologue and first couple pages are a bit saturated with names, but there are only so many!

Well its also that they are strange names. Mixed all one line after another it's a lot to take in. I'm sure if I keep reading I'll be able to remember them all :P
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Re: Writing a novel! (The Broken Globe)
« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2014, 04:19:45 pm »
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Read the Prologue and started on a couple pages after that. I'm already confused with the names :P

Sorry!  The Prologue and first couple pages are a bit saturated with names, but there are only so many!

Well its also that they are strange names. Mixed all one line after another it's a lot to take in. I'm sure if I keep reading I'll be able to remember them all :P

I hope you do!
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