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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: March 26, 2014, 12:21:47 pm »

vote: shraeye

I don't believe he is confused about why no-lynching is bad, that's faked which is only explainable by him being scum(mafia).
I'm not confused; I just disagree.  I think people have habits of oversimplifying things, and opinions on no-lynch and random-lynch are a symptom of that.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2014, 12:22:32 pm »

shraeye, I have no idea what you mean. Could you point me to the post where someone talks about Witherweaver's error before mcmc?
mcmc is the first person to TALK about wither's setup stuff.  But he's not the first to analyze it.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: March 26, 2014, 12:39:50 pm »

Ok. I'm back. I understand that there's not a lot to go on right now, but I think the unvoting trend just isn't that important.

Also, would there have been almost any interest if it hadn't been 3 players? What if it had just been me who had unvoted after ADK?

I know that I at least was motivated independently, although I do see the value in leaving RVS votes on people.

I think it would be a good cover to be extremely helpful to the new players.  It's going to be hard to want to lynch the guy who has been helping you out and showing you the ropes.

This is a really great observation. I know for sure that that's something I've had to overcome when playing this game. When people are nice to you, it's really hard to want to kill them. It can be difficult to just ignore any emotions you have, because I think there's a natural instinct for reciprocation, or responding in kind to people.

Eventually though, it just comes down to what people actually do. If they're acting scummy, it doesn't matter if they defended you or gave you some helpful tip, you have to play to your wincon. And it goes the other way too, if you feel like someone's acting like an asshole, but isn't really being that scummy, it can be hard to not vote for them. But you just have to ignore it if you want to make a rational decision.

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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: March 26, 2014, 12:45:50 pm »

also vote: Nik we need participation.

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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: March 26, 2014, 12:46:54 pm »

also vote: Nik we need participation.

Agreed.

Vote: Nik
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #130 on: March 26, 2014, 12:51:41 pm »

also vote: Nik we need participation.

Agreed.

Vote: Nik

You do realize your vote was already on Nik, right?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2014, 12:56:29 pm »

also vote: Nik we need participation.

Agreed.

Vote: Nik

You do realize your vote was already on Nik, right?

I think I voted shraeye some time after my vote on Nik.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #132 on: March 26, 2014, 01:02:05 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #133 on: March 26, 2014, 01:04:26 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

How is being aggressive scummy? And what do you mean by "spreading confusion"?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: March 26, 2014, 01:13:15 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

He's asking a lot of questions and analyzing people's motivations, which I read as a more towny trait. shraeye's probably my strongest town read so far.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: March 26, 2014, 01:15:24 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

How is being aggressive scummy? And what do you mean by "spreading confusion"?

A lot of his pointed questions in the last page or so.. for example, the ones that lead to:

shraeye, I have no idea what you mean. Could you point me to the post where someone talks about Witherweaver's error before mcmc?
mcmc is the first person to TALK about wither's setup stuff.  But he's not the first to analyze it.

The original post seemed pretty clear.. someone said Mcmc was the first to post something reading into my original setup-error post, and Shraeye questioned it, to this end.  What's the significance of bringing up that someone can be the first to talk about something, but not the first to analyze it?  That other people are reading and thinking, but not posting?  That seems sort of, like, an empty statement.  Just saying stuff to have other kinds of tangential conversations.  hence, spreading confusion.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: March 26, 2014, 01:18:16 pm »

Vote Count 1.3:

shraeye (2): Nik, mcmcsalot
Nik (2): Ichimaru Gin, faust
Voltaire (1): Delirious Deleuze
Witherweaver (1): Voltaire

Not Voting (3): shraeye, A Drowned Kernel, Witherweaver

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 12:00 p.m. on April 1, 2014.

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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: March 26, 2014, 01:50:37 pm »

vote: shraeye

I don't believe he is confused about why no-lynching is bad, that's faked which is only explainable by him being scum(mafia).
I'm not confused; I just disagree.  I think people have habits of oversimplifying things, and opinions on no-lynch and random-lynch are a symptom of that.

I did not oversimplify it, I explained it very expanded it is manifestly better to lynch today, if we no lynch we do not gain any lynches and our final lynch will actually be from a larger pool of unkowns.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: March 26, 2014, 01:52:06 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

He's asking a lot of questions and analyzing people's motivations, which I read as a more towny trait. shraeye's probably my strongest town read so far.

But he is generating reactions as he wants. It is something I follow quite a bit, scum wants to wait for lots of posts, and then analyze them and pressure people after the fact when he can represent it the way he wants and react to it appropriately.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: March 26, 2014, 04:22:55 pm »

Ahh! Sorry I haven't posted, but what am I supposed to say? Sorry, I'm a über-newb.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: March 26, 2014, 04:36:00 pm »

Say what you think. There's already been some back and forth between different players. Who do you think might be scum?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: March 26, 2014, 04:52:17 pm »

Well, okay then. I have been thinking...Unvote.Vote: Delirious Deleuze because has he even voted?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: March 26, 2014, 04:58:11 pm »

He's still voting for Voltaire but yeah, that was an RVS. Deleuze, where are you?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: March 26, 2014, 05:03:37 pm »

Well, okay then. I have been thinking...Unvote.Vote: Delirious Deleuze because has he even voted?

What is your opinion of shraeye, do you agree or disagree with my points against him?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: March 26, 2014, 05:22:52 pm »

Yeah, I totally agree with you that I think Shraeye is scum, but for now I think Deluze is scummier.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: March 26, 2014, 05:28:16 pm »

Yeah, I totally agree with you that I think Shraeye is scum, but for now I think Deluze is scummier.

Based on what? What about shraeye do you think is scummy?
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: March 26, 2014, 07:43:40 pm »

As for this game specifically right now, everyone unvoted super-fast it seems. That's interesting.
Interesting how?

I'd like to think that one of them is a newbie scum worried that they're voting while no-one else is and hence the unvote, but I really have no way to test that.

FYI, very far behind and slowly catching up right now. Probably a flurry of reply posts coming.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2014, 07:45:09 pm »

shraeye, I have no idea what you mean. Could you point me to the post where someone talks about Witherweaver's error before mcmc?
mcmc is the first person to TALK about wither's setup stuff.  But he's not the first to analyze it.

Are you saying you analyzed in your head and didn't post? That's great, but you can't expect us to be mind-readers.
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2014, 07:47:52 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

Shraeye is extremely aggressive. Spreading confusion I'm not so sure (I'm sure he'd do it as scum). That is his playstyle though (the aggressive thing). I will say, even though his reads were right in Adventure Time (previous game) he did a very poor job initially of convincing the rest of the town to lynch the scum he had identified. What I'm saying is, shraeye's playstyle overlaps with a generic opinion of "scummy" and I will not be lynching him today.

Oooooo, yes, it's the start of the D1 Voltaire lynch pool!  ;D
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Re: NewMafia V : House of Cards (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: March 26, 2014, 07:48:35 pm »

It seems like Shraeye is being very aggressive and spreading confusion.  Maybe this is just his play style.. I'm not sure.  My read right now is scum.

He's asking a lot of questions and analyzing people's motivations, which I read as a more towny trait. shraeye's probably my strongest town read so far.

Why exactly do you think shraeye is town? Shraeye asks almost entirely questions as scum.
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