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[mcmcsalot]

Let me reiterate, shraeye is disagreeing with every single post I make no matter what. He's certain I'm scum(he's wrong) either he's scum or tunneled like an idiot removing any other play for day 1. Lynch him tomorow please.

[mcmcsalot]

Also I would aprreciate not being hammered for 45 more min I'll be helpful.

[shraeye]

Let me reiterate, shraeye is disagreeing with every single post I make no matter what. He's certain I'm scum(he's wrong) either he's scum or tunneled like an idiot removing any other play for day 1. Lynch him tomorow please.

The problem is, your defense is terrible.  Just because I'm disagreeing with everything you're currently saying, doesn't mean that I would disagree no matter what you said.  You're just saying nonsensical stuff.

Right now you're trying to zing me for tunnelling on you.  Earlier you tried to zing me when I looked at other people too.  At this point, I'm saying you're the best lynch and you are.  I have an idea where to go if you flip scum, and if you flip town.  I'm looking at interactions and working to figure many things out.  Yet you are accusing me of being narrow-minded and tunnelling.   The things you're accusing me of contradict each other, and fail to match evidence.  First you say I'm not looking at interactions, then I'm trying to make as many people suspicious as possible.  One moment you're calling my behavior scummy because it's dredging up old topics.  The next you're calling it towny because it's "in the moment"....and the behavior didn't change!

[mcmcsalot]

Okay look final defense. Shraeye its day 1, its me, you don't know me, you don't know what is and is not scummy, noone does. Anyone could do anything as scum, you are so certain I am scum because you say nothing I say makes sense. You are guessing and stating opinions of what I do as factually scummy. I think thats ridiculous and hope you get lynched tomorrow.

I'm done talking to you, I am rereading so we have some conf!town reads to deal with tomorow.

[mcmcsalot]

Why not I do what witherweaver did? (I still don't really know what to post... )

Witherweaver-Town
DD-Definite town. I used to be unsure, but now he is absolutely town
Ichi-Conspiracy theories? Post count? Seems scummy to me...
ADK-Null
Mcmcsalot-Well, I voted for him, so, scum (I explained in my vote why)
Shraeye-null
Faust-Possibly scum
Voltaire-Null
Nik-SCUM SCUM SCUM! Lurking at the beginning, then saying "oh...well...I just don't know what to post..." Ha! Pure trickery! Nik, who are your scum partners? 

Hello conf!town, no way scum jokes about themselves like that.

still think this is unlikely to come from mafia

[mcmcsalot]

In that case I will unvote

This is the first ichi unvotes null read

[mcmcsalot]

Hmm. I must have missed counting delerious deleuze. I appreciate the correction though, as it did change my decision.

I don't think I'm ready to put mcmc at L-1 yet. I would like to hear more from him, which we haven't really heard much.

What is everyone's opinion on mcmc. I already know those who are voting for him, but what about the others: faust, ADK, witherweaver and Volt?

The most important thing I think, is what information will be garnered from his lynch? What will it tell us about the interactions he had with other people (Shraeye, defending Nik, etc). And what will it tell us about the people on his wagon?

We still have what, 2+ days?

What do you mean that we haven't heard much from mcmc?  There has been a lot that mcmc has said; you can go back and see the things he's been saying.  I don't see why this is the wrong time for L-1.

Ok. I unvoted because I needed a little more time to consider things.

When I say we haven't heard a lot from mcmc, I mean him speaking in his own defense. For the last page or so, he's talked about other stuff, but I feel like he hasn't posted statements in his defense in a little while. But I see what you are saying.

Anyway, having done a more thorough reread, I would still prefer ADK I think, but I don't think that's going to happen. Mcmc is very scummy, and the large amount of interactions (many strong interactions) that he has had should give us a lot of information after his flip. Particularly about Shraeye.

back to vote: mcmc

Wow, ichi revotes me because shraeye tells him to and still says he would rather lynch someone else. voting someone while mainaining that they are not your number one choice is something we see scum do often

[mcmcsalot]

yea sorry my typing was poor I am a vt(vanilla townie) not a tv

Argh. VT claiming is not a good thing to do. Never. I'm tempted to vote mcmc just for this.

Oh faust is very right about this, I should have refused to claim. I was upset and not thinking. In the future do not claim, refuse to. If You are the cop you will be shot before you can reveal anything, if you are the doctor you will be shot as you cannot protect yourself

[mcmcsalot]

Ichi strikes me as scum if shraeye/mcmc/adk are all town.

I do not think shraeye/adk need to be town for him to be scum

[mcmcsalot]

okay so I think shraeye is scum as well as ichimaru gin. I think Nik is town. I don't really see the case on adk, I may just not be able to read the thread without being upset at all the wrong/misrepresented info(to me) but I don't find adk scummy so I think the people pushing that are scummy as well. Faust is slightly scummy for his lurking.

Thats all I got. Feel free to hammer though I would prefer we lynch scum

[mcmcsalot]

Lastly for funzies,

I want the non-shraeye voters on me to state why they believe I am Mafia in their own words.

[Witherweaver]

yea sorry my typing was poor I am a vt(vanilla townie) not a tv

Argh. VT claiming is not a good thing to do. Never. I'm tempted to vote mcmc just for this.

What was he supposed to do?  If he really is vanilla town that is?  People were pressuring him to claim, and probably would have lynched him if he didn't.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, then, suppose we lynch McMc and it's revealed he's town.

How do we react to that?

What does this post accomplish? Is this an attempt to manipulate us into making the assumption that mcmc is town? Why did you ask that question?

The point was that I was trying to figure out if McMc is a good lynch.  That is, would it be helpful if he turns out to be town?  My later post (about getting people to claim) explored this a bit more. 

[mcmcsalot]

yea sorry my typing was poor I am a vt(vanilla townie) not a tv

Argh. VT claiming is not a good thing to do. Never. I'm tempted to vote mcmc just for this.

What was he supposed to do?  If he really is vanilla town that is?  People were pressuring him to claim, and probably would have lynched him if he didn't.

I should have refused to claim. If I was the doctor and I claimed I would be killed tonight by mafia so claiming is useless it would actually be better to get lynched(if I couldn't convince people I am town) if I was the cop I can't use my power tonight so the doctor has to protect me, and then tomorow night the doctor can't protect me so I would die and not be able to give results. So claiming is a terrible idea even if you are a power role, so I shouldn't have claimed

[mcmcsalot]

Okay, then, suppose we lynch McMc and it's revealed he's town.

How do we react to that?

What does this post accomplish? Is this an attempt to manipulate us into making the assumption that mcmc is town? Why did you ask that question?

The point was that I was trying to figure out if McMc is a good lynch.  That is, would it be helpful if he turns out to be town?  My later post (about getting people to claim) explored this a bit more.

what my lynch does(when i flip town) is give you a wagon to look at and my conf!town(a situation where I am confirmed town) opinions. This is why I want everyone voting me to state why they find me scummy in their own words. If shraeye is town the mafia is on my wagon using shraeye as a cover for voting me, and getting a town lynch through

[Witherweaver]

yea sorry my typing was poor I am a vt(vanilla townie) not a tv

Argh. VT claiming is not a good thing to do. Never. I'm tempted to vote mcmc just for this.

What was he supposed to do?  If he really is vanilla town that is?  People were pressuring him to claim, and probably would have lynched him if he didn't.

I should have refused to claim. If I was the doctor and I claimed I would be killed tonight by mafia so claiming is useless it would actually be better to get lynched(if I couldn't convince people I am town) if I was the cop I can't use my power tonight so the doctor has to protect me, and then tomorow night the doctor can't protect me so I would die and not be able to give results. So claiming is a terrible idea even if you are a power role, so I shouldn't have claimed

I see.  That's consistent with what I was saying about claiming.. that we're getting ourselves in trouble by pushing people to close to lynching and then getting them to claim. 

[Voltaire]

Lastly for funzies,

I want the non-shraeye voters on me to state why they believe I am Mafia in their own words.

Shraeye has made a compelling case on you for D1 (you find him scummy for everything he has done - the whole tunnel/throw dirt on everyone thing) and you're using AtE and an argument that shraeye can't be "that good" D1. In my opinion, it's a terrible case.

But I do appreciate all the posts you just threw up. If you're town, these will be quite helpful tomorrow. I don't know if shraeye is obv!scum at all if you flip town, not one bit, but I'm glad to see we agree about Ichi.

[Voltaire]

Okay, then, suppose we lynch McMc and it's revealed he's town.

How do we react to that?

What does this post accomplish? Is this an attempt to manipulate us into making the assumption that mcmc is town? Why did you ask that question?

The point was that I was trying to figure out if McMc is a good lynch.  That is, would it be helpful if he turns out to be town?  My later post (about getting people to claim) explored this a bit more.

And this is why I find WW town.

It's a newbie question. But it's not the kind of newbie question I think a vet scum player would coach their newbie partner to say/ask. A coached question seems like it would be more like "Why don't we no-lynch D1?" or "Can scum talk to each other right now?" This is a "how do we most effectively scumhunt" kind of question, and I'm not saying I'll forever find WW town but man it's a comfortably strong read (based on some of his other posts, too).

[mcmcsalot]

So your reaso for lynching me is Shraeye made a good case on me and my case on shraeye is bad.

That is so far from a reason I am Mafia in your own words you could have given...

[Voltaire]

shraeye, what do you think about ichi?

[Voltaire]

So your reaso for lynching me is Shraeye made a good case on me and my case on shraeye is bad.

That is so far from a reason I am Mafia in your own words you could have given...

My own words: I am happy sheeping shraeye.

[mcmcsalot]

So your reaso for lynching me is Shraeye made a good case on me and my case on shraeye is bad.

That is so far from a reason I am Mafia in your own words you could have given...

My own words: I am happy sheeping shraeye.

Ugh!!!!! I hate being lynched and people can't iterate the case on me, this is a scum pushed wagon whether you are scum or just don't care enough to think for yourself it's extremely frustrating and BAD PLAY

[Witherweaver]

So I think I'm the only one without a vote.  It occurred to me this makes me look scummy if McMc turns out to be scum.  On the other hand, I know I'm not scum, and this together with McMc's latest posts makes me think he may be town.  I never had anything more than a slight scum read on him, and these latest interactions haven't made him seem more guilty to me.

If I was forced to bet one person to be scum right now, it would be Ichi.  I think if McMc flips town I would be suspecting him more.  I found the vote/unvote dance to be really odd.  I also have a slight scum read on ADK, but right now it's just an intuitive feel.  McMc I'm really unsure about.  My guess is town, but I'm not at all confident in this.

So I'm going to place my vote in by strongest read, which is against Ichi.

Vote: Ichimaru

[Voltaire]

So your reaso for lynching me is Shraeye made a good case on me and my case on shraeye is bad.

That is so far from a reason I am Mafia in your own words you could have given...

My own words: I am happy sheeping shraeye.

Ugh!!!!! I hate being lynched and people can't iterate the case on me, this is a scum pushed wagon whether you are scum or just don't care enough to think for yourself it's extremely frustrating and BAD PLAY

This is now Appeal to Emotion, which is not a defense, which is why I am voting for you (it's part of shraeye's case). If you're town, a case has been made on you. You need a defense that's more than, people have to have different reasons from shraeye, this is frustrating.

Look, you might be town, but at this point your lynch will give tons of info. Plus, I think there's about a 75% chance you're scum, which is actually really high.

[shraeye]

Reads:

scummy: faust, ADK, mcmc (I would be happy to lynch one of these today, and I think we should)

null: witherweaver, delirious deleuze

town: Volt, Shraeye, Nik?,