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Some thoughts.
« on: March 03, 2014, 08:16:02 pm »
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I watched the music video for One Direction's "You Don't Know You're Beautiful" for the first time and I have some thoughts. I'll try to keep this brief.

First, every single member of that band needs a haircut. Badly. In fact they need to have all of their hairs cut, which is fortunate because usually that's the same price. At one point, one of them actually flips his hair when that line comes up in the song, only confirming this fact.

Second, I did have a hard time judging how well they sung because they must have forgotten to turn up the vocal track. The rest of it was so much louder! This alarmed me at first, but after listening closely, perhaps it was for the best.

Third, there appear to be five members in the group. Why? I hever heard more than two different parts at once! Why do you need five people in your group when there are only two parts? If there are five of you, I expect to hear five-part harmony at some point or else you're charging too much for your albums.

Fourth, the whole song is the chorus, I get it. Somebody wrote a catchy chorus and you want the verses to be short so you can get back to the chorus. Great. You're probably overpaying that guy, but whatever, maybe that's your slogan or your tagline or something: "One Direction: Overpaid." But after a couple of choruses you get to the point in the song where it's time for the bridge, and I have several problems with it.

First (if you don't like my numbering system, dwi, I'm trying to keep this brief, remember?), letting a different guy sing each verse and then another guy sing the bridge does not justify having so many people in your group. It actually hurts the song because there's a lack of continuity. It's so high-school to make everyone in your group sing by themselves for part of the song so that nobody gets mad they didn't get their solo.

Second, the video at this point is just creepy. We'll start out with the fact that the lighting sort of makes silhouettes, which would be nice if THAT GUY WOULD JUST GET HIS HAIRS CUT! It looks like his head is on fire! But he's standing all tall with his chest sticking out, but having to look down at the girl who is shorter than him, but she's so close to him that it just looks like he's "trying to get up in her grill" and the way he sings he looks like he's yelling at her. That scene would be a perfect dramatization of what domestic abuse looks like, except she's acting all shy and into him, which just makes it SO awkward. Who can really be into the abusive, yelling, guy with his (too much) hair on fire? I just don't get this.

Third, the bridge is EXACTLY THE CHORUS OF THE SONG AGAIN! They changed NOTHING! You can't do that! I remember in high school jazz band I thought I'd try playing the melody on my bari sax for my solo (which is supposed to be improvised). The director stopped me immediately and told me that you just don't do that. People have already heard that, you're supposed to play something different. You could get away with that other thing in high school, but this you can't even do in high school!

I guess that's enough for now.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 08:34:52 pm »
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Was this directed to the people who think it's great music? I haven't heard the song and quite frankly have little interest in changing that, but the target audience is probably 13-year old girls, and I'm sure they like it. You are nor a girl or 13.

It's also show business, there is clearly a market for stuff like this so I don't know what you mean by overpaying. You'd want to change the world so that the people more talented musically would make the money instead of teen idols? I guess we all would, but ultimately I really don't care that much. Such is life. I'm not a musician though.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 08:39:39 pm »
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Third, there appear to be five members in the group. Why? I hever heard more than two different parts at once! Why do you need five people in your group when there are only two parts? If there are five of you, I expect to hear five-part harmony at some point or else you're charging too much for your albums.
There are certainly at least four parts in the last chorus. Three of them were completely unnecessary though, and could've been synths instead.

EDIT: I changed my mind, the fourth one could be a synth too. If you really want to have the lyrics sung, you can add a rap vocalist or something. I don't really have anything against One Direction in particular, but when none of the band members are needed in the band... why does it exist?

EDIT 2: Listened to it again, all five are singing different parts in the last chorus! And all of them are completely unnecessary!

EDIT 3: Yeah, it doesn't need the vocals at all.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2014, 09:32:31 pm »
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Did somebody say five parts?

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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 01:30:06 am »
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I have to tell you something: The members of One Direction are extremely, extremely talented. Not at singing, mind you. I'm not much of a music person, but it seems to me their sound is mediocre. There's nothing wrong with it, but there are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the world who can sing just as well.

One Direction's talent is NOT singing; it's image management and marketing. Everything about them--their clothes, their haircuts, the events they attend, the pictures they take of themselves, the "behind-the-scenes" banter they have with each other--is designed to produce the effect of extending their fame and selling more records to their audience. If you think about it, their job isn't to produce a CD that Adam Horton would like (they would make, like, $11 off of that). Their job is to be teen pop sensations. And they are really, really, really good at this job. Like, unbelievably good. They (and the people they have hired to assist them in this task) have really done a praiseworthy job at this job that they have.

As a general policy, I always try never to malign celebrities for their success. I mean, most of us, we see Miley Cyrus doing something ridiculous, and we instinctively think, "Dear God, what's wrong with that girl? Why would she do that?" The answer is so obvious: Because she is incredibly good at her job, which is being a headline-grabbing celebrity. She makes a lot of money doing this. Do you think she's actually crazy? Maybe she is, but who cares. She's acting crazy because she's paid to do it.

I am not a celebrity by any stretch of the imagination, but I do by the nature of my work come into contact with them, sometimes. Most major media figures I meet are incredibly smart, driven people. Often times they are also insane megalomaniacs, but I mean of course they are. The field rewards and encourages that. Most basketball players are tall, for similar reasons.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 09:14:31 am »
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You'd want to change the world so that the people more talented musically would make the money instead of teen idols? I guess we all would, but ultimately I really don't care that much. Such is life. I'm not a musician though.

That's exactly what I'd want, yes. When I was choosing my career what I really wanted was to go into the performing arts but I decided not to because of this. I know it's there in every field but you can at least make a decent living in other fields and not have the success of less talented people everywhere as a constant reminder.

...the target audience is probably 13-year old girls, and I'm sure they like it. You are nor a girl or 13.

I like the song, it's catchy. Also, I'm very in touch with my feminine side and when the g/f is feeling generous she'll say I have the maturity of a 13-year-old. I'm not sure what conclusions we can draw from this but I thought I'd share.

Did somebody say five parts?

Ah, Pentatonix. I don't know how I feel about them, I was really butt-hurt when they were on The Sing-Off because that was the first (and only) season I watched and I thought there was a much more talented group on the show. But they sound really good and I'm glad they're doing what they are.

One Direction's talent is NOT singing; it's image management and marketing.

My favorite member of 1D is Harry. Is it because he seems to be "in charge" of the group? I dunno. Is it because he has the most hair on his head? (I mean come on, his name is Harry. This is gold.) I dunno. Is it because out of the five guys in the group who are all serenading the girl in that video (the one who doesn't know she's beautiful) he is the one that she appears the most into? I dunno. Is it the shoulders? Probably. For Valentine's Day, the g/f got me a 1D valentine with Harry's picture that said "You top the charts, valentine!" I still have it.

I saw a 1D pen/bracelet with a Harry charm on it in the discount rack at Target™ once and I HAD to have it. First of all, it matched the Christmas ornament I already had; second of all, a pen AND a bracelet? I mean come on, people make fun of me because I carry a pen in my pocket all the time. I don't care because it's really useful, but now I can wear my 1D bracelet WITH HARRY'S PICTURE ON IT and be super-stylish and still be able to write things whenever I need to!

What's really killing me, though, is the fact that they haven't released a music video for "Does He Know" yet. When am I gonna get to see that? I feel like it's been long enough already.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 09:18:29 am »
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I watched the music video for One Direction's "You Don't Know You're Beautiful"

I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there.  I don't know this band, and I don't know this song, but I do know that this was your problem, right there.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 09:19:41 am »
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I watched the music video for One Direction's "You Don't Know You're Beautiful"

I'm going to go ahead and stop you right there.  I don't know this band, and I don't know this song, but I do know that this was your problem, right here.

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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2014, 09:22:24 am »
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My friend was pitch of the Whiffenpoofs the year they were on Sing-Off! Unfortunately they were eliminated pretty early on, and he said the producers did a number to try to make them look artificially "snooty", by filming them golfing and such.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2014, 09:40:41 am »
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Not that I was a fan of pop music anyway, but I really lost interest in American Idol when they dismissed a contestant for singing too well. She was singing Broadway style, and that's not what they wanted. They wanted pop sensation. Keep your classically trained voice out of this!

Not to say that all American Idol singers are bad. It's just a shame that a good voice was discarded in favor of popdom.

From what I've seen of the Voice, that part is at least taken care of by having the judges listen to the singer before choosing to sponsor him/her. I'm not going to fool myself, though; I'm sure that the singers are vetted by someone interested in marketability before allowing them onto the stage.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2014, 10:32:23 am »
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Singing seems to be the only criteria people think about for what makes good music. The reality is that it's a lot more than just singing well. If that were the case, Judas Priest (or similar bands)would be pop music, but they're not. I think people should learn what it is they actually like about the songs they listen to as opposed to just saying it's because there is good singing.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2014, 10:35:10 am »
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When I listen to music, I like to appreciate the talent that went into putting it together, that's what I enjoy about listening to music.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2014, 10:50:55 am »
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When I listen to music, I like to appreciate the talent that went into putting it together, that's what I enjoy about listening to music.

Word. We can sit here and judge but somebody (probably not the boys in the band) knew this would be a hit when they were writing it. That said, there's not much to it. It's "Hit Me With Your Best Shot" with some awkward teenage boy band. But hey, you wont see me arguing with a 13 year old girl about what good music is. If you like it, it's good... unless it's bad.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2014, 11:18:59 am »
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One Direction's talent is NOT singing; it's image management and marketing.... They (and the people they have hired to assist them in this task) have really done a praiseworthy job at this job that they have.

Except that most of that talent comes not from them but from their promoters and managers.  They are the faces, and they get the attention and the fame, but I guarantee you that the majority of the cash is flowing to the people behind the scenes.

Also, Adam, I know you're not that young, are you?  This same phenomenon--the pop that normal adults can't stand but 13-year-old girls love, the lack of actual talent being presented as "talent," the image management--is a long-standing tradition.  And by long-standing I mean "longer than I've been alive."  Granted, I only became aware of it as a young teen, when my little sister started listening to Backstreet Boys and NKOTB and the like.  But you can trace manufactured pop music presented by a handful of young boys to the Monkees.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2014, 11:23:05 am »
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BSB had a lot of talent, they were always my favo boy band and I really enjoyed listening to them. N Sync was better live, and I still like them too. I tried to form my own boy band/a cappella group in high school and if I had the opportunity to do that today I totally would and we would totally sing a bunch of BSB songs.

I'm 28 years old. Back in my day, the pop sensations had actual musical talent, not just gorgeous flowing locks of too-much-hair and super-dreamy shoulders. They sang in harmonies that required talent from every member of the group, they innovated.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2014, 11:40:38 am »
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I'm 28 years old. Back in my day, the pop sensations had actual musical talent, not just gorgeous flowing locks of too-much-hair and super-dreamy shoulders. They sang in harmonies that required talent from every member of the group, they innovated.

Some of them yes. BSB and N'Sync maybe. Color Me Badd was just awful. What do you think of New Edition or The Jets? Different time but their fame reminds me of One Direction.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2014, 11:43:35 am »
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I haven't heard of any of them. When I get a chance I'll look them up on YouTube. Any "signature songs" I should make sure I listen to?

BTW, I meant to say this before, but I think Miley Cyrus is incredibly talented. Her last album is terrible, though, except for Wrecking Ball where she's super-amazing. The video, though, I couldn't watch that whole thing, it just made me uncomfortable.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2014, 12:01:32 pm »
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The Jets's big hit was "Crush On You" but they're not exactly a boy band considering there were girls in the band. New Edition's big songs were "Candy Girl", "Cool It Now", and maybe a couple others. New Edition was basically BBD + Bobby Brown. The fact that The Jets and New Edition were teenagers reminded me of One Direction but they're pretty different now that I'm listening to them again.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2014, 12:06:07 pm »
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I'm 28 years old. Back in my day, the pop sensations had actual musical talent, not just gorgeous flowing locks of too-much-hair and super-dreamy shoulders. They sang in harmonies that required talent from every member of the group, they innovated.

My lawn, get off of it.

Seriously though, the pop sensations have pretty much never had real musical talent.  Sure, they could sing harmony, which isn't so much talent as practice, but the innovations of which you speak were by the songwriters.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2014, 12:08:10 pm »
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I haven't heard of any of them. When I get a chance I'll look them up on YouTube. Any "signature songs" I should make sure I listen to?

BTW, I meant to say this before, but I think Miley Cyrus is incredibly talented. Her last album is terrible, though, except for Wrecking Ball where she's super-amazing. The video, though, I couldn't watch that whole thing, it just made me uncomfortable.

Okay I'm actually curious about this.  The "Wrecking Ball" part.  Admittedly I haven't payed much attention to the song, but at places like the gym or where they play the radio, I've heard a song that talks about "wrecking ball" with some female singer, so I'm assuming this is that song.  I think the song sounds godawful.  The vocals are, like.. whiny and they hurt the inside of my head.  Like a headache that comes from the very center of my brain.  And the musical track itself.. it's hard for my to tell these things, but there just doesn't seem like a lot going on there.  It seems the same for the lyrics as well.

So I'm kind of surprised that someone is claiming there is something amazing going on.

And I'm not trying to be inflammatory.. it's just that this song, and many others I hear in the same places that play this kind of song.. they make me tense, angry, frustrated, and unhappy.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2014, 12:15:38 pm »
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This party is happenin',
It's no mirage,
So sing it again,
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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2014, 12:16:48 pm »
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The song is about feeling deep pain, which I think is embodied in her vocal performance extremely well, yet the precision and talent she's always had are still present in that song. The use of dynamics with her range are very well performed.

Eh, just my opinion.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2014, 12:37:30 pm »
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The song is about feeling deep pain, which I think is embodied in her vocal performance extremely well, yet the precision and talent she's always had are still present in that song. The use of dynamics with her range are very well performed.

Eh, just my opinion.

Okay, but.. wrecking ball for deep pain.. to me, that's a really boring and uninspired metaphor.  Unless you're doing it ironically. 

Though I guess it makes me feel pain, so.. success?
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2014, 12:39:13 pm »
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She's reflecting on the way she approached the relationship she had (which is now over, hence sadness) and how it turned out so poorly -- she came in like a wrecking ball and maybe she should have held back a little bit. Something like that.
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Re: Some thoughts.
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2014, 12:47:22 pm »
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The song is about feeling deep pain, which I think is embodied in her vocal performance extremely well, yet the precision and talent she's always had are still present in that song. The use of dynamics with her range are very well performed.

Eh, just my opinion.
It shows even more in the music video. My sister made me sit through the whole thing. It's quite intense actually.
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