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Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« on: February 20, 2014, 10:23:15 am »
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So I was playing IRL.

I have 2 tunnels in hand. Deck is empty, everything is in discard.

Opponent plays Vault. If I choose to discard 2 tunnels for Vault's sideeffect, what happens?


a) I discard two, gain 2 Golds, shuffle the old discard + Golds and draw a card or
b) I discard two, shuffle, draw a card and than gain 2 Golds, putting them in new (empty) discard pile ?
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 10:42:11 am »
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A).
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2014, 11:12:11 am »
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a)
You reveal Tunnel when you discard it, which is before you draw cards. Whenever you resolve a reaction (or on gain/buy/trash/etc for that matter) everything else freezes.
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2014, 11:29:40 am »
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Any rule quotes/other examples ?
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2014, 11:32:36 am »
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Any rule quotes/other examples ?

Dude, Awaclus and Asper are right. When you use the ability of an opponent's Vault, the discards come before the draw. Any and all effects of the discards, including Tunnel's reaction, happen before you move on to the draw.
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 11:43:04 am »
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I also though it was that way, the guy who has the game argued.

I actually missread  Awaclus post and though that he said B). sry.
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 11:52:56 am »
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From Intrigue rulebook:

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Intrigue introduces a second Reaction card, Secret Chamber. Players may reveal
multiple Reaction cards in response to a single event. Each Reaction card is revealed
and resolved before another Reaction card is revealed.
The second Reaction card can be
one that was not initially in hand when the first Reaction card was played. For
example, a player could reveal Secret Chamber in response to an Attack card and draw
a Moat. After the player has completely resolved the Secret Chamber, he can still reveal
the Moat in response to the Attack card.

together with:

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Revealing Secret Chamber happens prior to resolving what an Attack does to you. For
example, if another player plays Thief, you can reveal Secret Chamber, draw 2 cards, put
2 back, and then you resolve getting hit by the Thief. You can reveal Secret Chamber
whenever another player plays an Attack card, even if that Attack would not affect you.
Also, you can reveal more than one Reaction card in response to an Attack. For
example, after revealing the Secret Chamber in response to an Attack and resolving the
effect of the Secret Chamber, you can still reveal a Moat to avoid the Attack completely.

This seems to clearly imply the known result that reactions are resolved before the rest of the card is resolved.  And the original rulebook states that cards instructions are followed from top to bottom.

Though, interestingly enough, I didn't find a general statement that talks about order of resolution.  I guess because the rulebooks were written to cover just the cards that existed at the time of printing.

The Hinterlands ruleboook (http://riograndegames.com/getFile.php?id=579) goes into more detail on how to resolve "when" other things happen.  I guess that was the first time tracking the order of things to that extent became important.

Edit: I mean, a general statement in the original rulebook(s).  Like what you find in the Dominion Wiki.  It looks like issues were only brought up as-needed, which makes sense.  So anyway, Hinterlands rulebook explains it well enough.
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Re: Vault/Tunnel Timing question
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 11:56:34 am »
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Thanks.
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