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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #225 on: January 10, 2014, 04:28:51 pm »
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What is a Derivative?

Doesn't that belong in the religion, sex, politics, and economics forum?!
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #226 on: January 10, 2014, 04:37:29 pm »
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There is only one opinion that appears in this thread that belongs to someone who at one point had the rights to Dominion, and has negotiated a transfer of those rights in a negotiation involving RGG.  That opinion suggested giving up all hope.  Why has it gotten so little attention?  I feel like six times as much time has been spent shooting down thought exercise ideas from a college student with an outpost avatar.

I'd argue that while it suggested giving up all hope of getting the license transferred somewhere else (an opinion I'm inclined to agree with), it was neutral to mildly positive about the possibility of Goko getting its collective shit together, whether by applying pressure via RGG or otherwise. I quote:

"And that's going on as we speak. You say 'Goko' as if it's a group that's been with the project from day one, but people have come and gone, the people working on Goko and in charge of it today were not there as recently as a month ago (I don't have an exact date). I have no special reason to believe the current guys are bad so far; I can only wait and see if things start improving or not."

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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #227 on: January 10, 2014, 04:53:35 pm »
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Did you ask to quote the whole thing, and he said, "no, you can only post this part?"
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #228 on: January 10, 2014, 04:55:19 pm »
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Yeah I know that Stealth Tomato, I meant, his recommended course of action, which was to do nothing besides wait on the Goko front.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #229 on: January 11, 2014, 01:37:02 am »
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Did you ask to quote the whole thing, and he said, "no, you can only post this part?"

I can't answer that. I know that's an obnoxiously cryptic answer, and I hate being cryptic. But I hate going back on my word even more than I hate being cryptic.

Looking back I realize I totally brought this upon myself. Sorry about that. I realize now it was obnoxious.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #230 on: January 11, 2014, 09:41:51 am »
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If she is willing, I vote TheExpressicist should be our community representative.  From her posts in this thread she appears to me to be quite knowledgable of contract law and programming; and appears to have excellent judgement & temperament.  On top of that, she has already reached out to Donald and presumably has inside knowledge from that correspondence she is unwilling or unable to share. 

TheExpressicist, would you be willing to contact Goko and possibly RGG to see what can be done about the state of online dominion? 

This long time lurker made an account to voice his opinion
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #231 on: January 11, 2014, 11:12:06 am »
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Um, she's also done all this unilaterally. I don't think she needs an official title to do what she's already doing. She's going to do it anyway.

If we were going to nominate an "official representative", I'd prefer it to be someone we know that has some standing in the community like, say, Theory.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #232 on: January 11, 2014, 11:13:08 am »
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If we were going to nominate an "official representative", I'd prefer it to be someone we know that has some standing in the community like, say, Theory.

Do you really think a representative like Theory would work in practice?
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #233 on: January 11, 2014, 11:30:05 am »
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If we were going to nominate an "official representative", I'd prefer it to be someone we know that has some standing in the community like, say, Theory.

Do you really think a representative like Theory would work in practice?
Hey, I could become the official representative!
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #234 on: January 11, 2014, 01:01:28 pm »
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If we were going to nominate an "official representative", I'd prefer it to be someone we know that has some standing in the community like, say, Theory.

Do you really think a representative like Theory would work in practice?
Hey, I could become the official representative!

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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #235 on: January 11, 2014, 01:04:58 pm »
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Oh oh oh!

Memememememe!!

I have a draft letter all ready to go!


Dear Mr Goko,

I represent a collective group of Dominion addicts (whats the collective noun? A Kingdom of Dominion players), some of whom still hold out hope that the Goko project will turn into the shining beacon of online play.

There are others that want to turn up at your offices and beat you to death with a ValtaDominion case (tm)

We would like to open discussions with you that achieves the former rather than the latter. We have a law expert on hand (his name is Theory, he is super scary) so don't try any mumbo jumbo, and we have a tech expert (Geronimooo still about?) on hand as well in case you try to bamboozle us with science.

Now these days, the word 'lynch mob' gets thrown around too lightly, but well......i think you see my point.

We are willing to swop the following things for the licence to make Dominion:
Advertising space on the dominion wiki
Yumas  new baby
+1 respect votes on your next 10 posts
A spot at the front of the mafia mod queue
All posts ever made by Wereo (making you the 5th highest poster)
A empty Lemonade Snaffle glass to drink from
The promise that we won't spam your website with 'Games that go nowhere'
Peace of mind for DonaldX
The stopping of a gazillion threads on FDS

And if none of that works we'll get WanderingWinder to force you to watch his Youtube videos till your eyes bleed!

Yours

Faithfully (but not sincerley)

Ozle
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #236 on: January 11, 2014, 01:40:09 pm »
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Oh oh oh!
We are willing to swop the following things for the licence to make Dominion:
Advertising space on the dominion wiki
Yumas  new baby

HEY!!!!!

That should be yuma's new baby....
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #237 on: January 11, 2014, 01:49:38 pm »
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Oh oh oh!
We are willing to swop the following things for the licence to make Dominion:
Advertising space on the dominion wiki
Yumas  new baby

HEY!!!!!

That should be yuma's new baby....

I was assuming we had more than one Yuma
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #238 on: January 11, 2014, 01:58:07 pm »
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I appreciate the vote of confidence, Blarg. But, ultimately LastFootnote is right. At this point I don't think we are at the stage where we need an official representative. We are still trying to get Goko/RGG's ear; it is much easier to ignore one Official Representative than it is to ignore a large number of people all offering the same unified, reasonable suggestion.

Once (if) a specific plan is agreed to by RGG/Goko, then I think we should start looking into having a few de facto leaders. But let's cross that bridge when we come to it, as much of it will depend on the requirements of whatever plan emerges. Thank you again though for the vote of confidence.

Also.... She? Did I check the wrong box somewhere?
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #240 on: January 11, 2014, 02:32:08 pm »
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Memememememe!!
Okay, you can have a meme if you want one that badly.

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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #241 on: January 12, 2014, 07:29:09 pm »
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I decided against paying Goko at Christmas after I experienced the lag others had been talking about.  I tried it again tonight and was in my 4th game on the basic cards, experiencing lags, when my opponent suddenly stopped playing, or so  thought...  Goko had, without warning, decided to undertake some "routine maintenance".


I'd happily pay for Isotrophic to return.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #242 on: January 12, 2014, 07:40:26 pm »
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Do i see "Yes" and "Yes" choices in the poll?? Anyway, i voted "Yes"! :P
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #243 on: January 12, 2014, 08:03:55 pm »
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Do i see "Yes" and "Yes" choices in the poll?? Anyway, i voted "Yes"! :P

But which yes was it?
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #244 on: January 12, 2014, 08:08:17 pm »
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Do i see "Yes" and "Yes" choices in the poll?? Anyway, i voted "Yes"! :P

But which yes was is?

The top one, of course.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #245 on: January 12, 2014, 08:21:43 pm »
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The real future is, in about two months I will be making bank charging people for access to my skypinion directory and matchmaker

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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #246 on: January 13, 2014, 11:58:15 am »
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Do i see "Yes" and "Yes" choices in the poll?? Anyway, i voted "Yes"! :P

But which yes was is?

The top one, of course.

The bottom yes is actually no.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #247 on: January 24, 2014, 12:38:22 pm »
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There is no way that Goko and RGG are going to agree to an iso-style implementation that co-exists with Goko - even if it is password protected for only Goko purchasers.

I just wrote to RGG.

"Hello!
I'm a giant Dominion fan (well... addict to be honest). I apologize if you've received a bunch of messages like this, but I've found the online implementation (Goko) to be excessively frustrating. I have purchased all of the Dominion sets in physical form (except Dark Ages, as I fear the cards are too complicated for my daughter to play) and would love to play them online - and would pay for what I deem to be an acceptable version of that. However, Goko is just so buggy and unreliable that I haven't purchased the cards there. I'm not alone in that. I contribute to an online community of Dominion fans, and many people (including many who bought the cards on Goko) are extremely dissatisfied.
Many of us are talking about how we might possibly get back a version of online Dominion that we like. The night I first played Dominion (in real life) I really liked it. I went home, searched online, and found the old unofficial implementation (isotropic). It was there that I became hooked - buying the physical sets quickly followed. I understand why it had to go, of course - Goko needed a blank slate to get their foot in the door. Unfortunately it seems that their version is just not up to the task.
So to round to the point, I would like to urge you guys to seek alternative licensing arrangements whenever your contract with Goko allows. In fact, if you're comfortable disclosing some details of your contract (and not legally prohibited from doing so), I would love to get some information from you about it. A few of us have seriously discussed pooling money in an attempt to purchase the license. I'm sure it's a pipedream, but we have a community full of folks who are willing to kick in to a crowdsourced version of purchasing the online license in order to implement something more like isotropic.
Thank you for your time and for the work you've done publishing an awesome game. "

I got a reply to this a few days ago.

"We have discussed the situation with Goko and they have promised to have the problems corrected this week. Many were caused by moving the system to a new server. Thanks for your interest."

Not much of an answer, but there you go. I might reply to the effect of "thanks for the reply, I don't mean to take much more of your time, but I just want to register with you that these were not temporary problems, these are problems that have always plagued Goko and I hope you consider bailing on them when the license is over".
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #248 on: January 24, 2014, 12:41:14 pm »
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Actually, if they're moving to a new server, that might be good.
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Re: Petition for the return of Isotropic
« Reply #249 on: January 24, 2014, 01:50:41 pm »
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Not much of an answer, but there you go. I might reply to the effect of "thanks for the reply, I don't mean to take much more of your time, but I just want to register with you that these were not temporary problems, these are problems that have always plagued Goko and I hope you consider bailing on them when the license is over".

Yeah, I tend to agree.
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