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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 24, 2021, 09:11:45 am »

One might counter this by saying "well town should just answer without regard for their role". Which is saying, town should be disingenuous and do the thing that scum is also trying to do. This causes town to behave in a scum-like manner and thus muddies the water for scumhunting.

I don't personally think my opinion on a particular strategy is affected in anyway whatsoever by my current role. I would always think about it in the context of any roles that could theoretically be in the game, and I would expect the same of any town player. I don't see how that's disingenuous.
Seems strange not to take knowledge into account. You could have a role that says "if you target the Tracker, town wins". Surely that would influence your opinion on claiming. That is a ridiculously extreme example, but any role has a preference on knowing/not knowing roles to a lesser extent. If you don't take into account the knowledge that you have then you're not playing optimally.

I disagree. Even if I know that my own role benefits from or suffers from a mass claim, I don't know how scum are going to benefit or how that info might hurt other townies. I think considering your own role without thinking about what other roles might be in the game isn't playing optimally.

But whatever. We play the game differently, that's fine. You've convinced me that your objection wasn't alignment-indicative.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 24, 2021, 08:25:11 am »

One might counter this by saying "well town should just answer without regard for their role". Which is saying, town should be disingenuous and do the thing that scum is also trying to do. This causes town to behave in a scum-like manner and thus muddies the water for scumhunting.

I don't personally think my opinion on a particular strategy is affected in anyway whatsoever by my current role. I would always think about it in the context of any roles that could theoretically be in the game, and I would expect the same of any town player. I don't see how that's disingenuous.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 23, 2021, 08:13:10 pm »
See, I told you all advocating for a mass claim would be silly
I would make a comment about you are conveniently trying to absolve yourself from responsibility for what you posted, but first I am going to wait and see how this post is received.

Also, what exactly do you think I should be taking responsibility for?
Floating the idea of a massclaim, which usually leads to nothing could but can have the effect of people revealing information about their roles.

I also think this post from faust is a little off. The idea of a day one mass claim is so against the grain that nobody is going to say "ooh, great idea! I'm the cop!" without coming to a group consensus. I fail to see how e's suggestion could have led to anyone leaking information about their roles.

I'll join the faust wagon, I guess. That's a thing, right?

vote: faust


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 23, 2021, 08:09:09 pm »
Hypothetically, if we mass claim, then scum knows who is the doctor to roleblock and who is the tracker to shoot D1 and who is the vigilante to redirect onto the IC and we're screwed. We never get to catch scum out on their lying D1 claims because they know all of our powers and how to thwart them while we still know nothing real about them.

Mass claim is bad.

A lot of assumptions (knowledge?) about what powers scum has here; probably means nothing, but I wanted to note it for later just in case. Besides that, I agree.

I think this post from Dylan is a little bit scummy. It seems disingenuous to me. Iguana is clearly using hypothetical examples to make a point, and implying that he's somehow letting his secret setup knowledge slip is... weird.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 22, 2021, 10:09:52 pm »
Day 1 mass claim is a bad plan.

Getting some wagons started early is a good plan.

vote: pubby for reasons.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 21, 2021, 08:24:41 pm »
Hello everyone!

Not a lot to speculate on really. So...

vote: Dylan32 I guess. Since I won't get to day 1 policy exile you in BSG, RVS is the next best thing.

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Actually I changed my mind.

1. Add XO- Vote of Confidence
2. Term Limits
3. Voting Reform
4. Day 1 plurality exile

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Apartheid: Cylons
Add XO: Vote of Confidence
Voting Reform
Term Limits

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also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.

Itís fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.

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I just really want to know if I'm policy-exiling Dylan day one of game 3 or not.

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How much are we allowed to discuss here, given the legacy situation?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 03, 2021, 08:37:53 am »
I'm ready to vote, later today. Glooble, you want to say anything?

I don't think so. I trust you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 02, 2021, 10:00:21 am »
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I donít see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didnít lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

I donít know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.
How does that make more sense? Which part of his claim do you see as the lie?

I don't think his role had an investigative component at all. I think he made that up so he would have information to trade.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 02, 2021, 06:12:45 am »
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I donít see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didnít lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

I donít know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 01, 2021, 09:51:22 pm »
Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I donít see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 01, 2021, 05:13:45 pm »
Oh wait. I canít read.

Yeah thatís an excellent point. Certainly makes a Swowl exile look like the right move.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 01, 2021, 05:11:50 pm »
Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

I donít think this is true. If Swowl is scum, I donít think heís a vig. I think vig is a fake claim to cover for the factional kill. So he couldnít have done it twice since faust clarified that doesnít apply to faction abilities.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 01, 2021, 05:10:27 pm »
Iím leaning Swowl, but if I were you Iíd take your time and reread. I should have some time to help with that today or tomorrow. No need to make a hasty decision.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM61: Battlestar Galactica - Season 2 (Day 6)
« on: August 01, 2021, 05:08:50 pm »
Yeah just got here. For the record, I still think Dylan was lying.


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Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.

but.. why?

Because he wants to win the season, not just the game.

Anyway, Iíve said my piece. Iím going to hold you all to exiling Dylan day one of game 3 when you see that Iím town, and Iíll be around tomorrow as a ghost if we donít lose tonight.

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Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.

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You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.

I'm going to hold you to that.

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You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

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8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.

It's probably 7, and the Believers were able to be helpful to town.

Maybe they were able to, but they chose not to.

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Not really sure how we were supposed to win if literally 2 misexiles sinks it for us, and that's with one nightkill prevented.

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