Just to confirm, Robz did not target me with the power booster night 1? Cause that seems like a really weird role to have two of.
Robz did not target you.
I'm a doctor you jerks. I was going to target Space tonight and confirm myself.
Robz targeted e on N1, I targeted Ash on N2 and N3. I also have a power to give someone a boosted power in some way that neither Robz nor I have used.
My flavor name is just Medic.
It feels like 3 people are voting me just because they want me to claim not because they want to lynch me. This is... not smart.
@WCD, you haven't mentioned anything about your QTs for the last night and today, unless I've missed it. Could you at least let us know whether you've got a conversation going on in the background, in case it affects how early we want to put people up to L-1? I figure even if everything appears to be said in the thread, it might not be the case for yoru QT, given that our D2 one was still going on quite strongly when the day ended.
Hi! I did not have chat N3. I quoted something from my QT with DatSwan and the repercussions were not chat ability for N3.
Today, Jotheonah is talking to me. I chose him because he seems town to me and he had said some things that made it seem as if we (town) could benefit from him knowing a bit more about my role. So, I shared that information. I also have shared with him the reasons that I think Space is town and DatSwan's take on things, too. I believe that the three of us (Space, Joth, WCD) are town.
I can also confirm that we believe that he was roleblocked N3 based on my result from monitoring him.
I have already shared my only piece of night phase information.
The redirection bit?
Basically two survivors who win with town, but lose if the other one is still alive.
I like it as a mechanic. Simple, elegant
In your scenario, could the cult win without town, if the rest of us are dead or converted, but they still manage to kill LL's faction?
According to hypercube, they still need to eliminate all enemies of the Radch.
The current cult-heavy discussion just reminded me of this.. I meant to go back to it, because you're missing my point.
The question was not "could the cult win with scum", it was "could the cult win on its own by eliminating (red) scum after absorbing all the remaining townies"?
Except we kinda know that she did.
She tried to recruit hypercube, hypercube refused, hypercube died. All that is known information. The only thing we don't know is what happens if she tries to recruit scum. So think about it.
If the power worked the same way for scum as it does for town it would be extremely broken, especially considering we might have two of them in the game. So it seems pretty obvious that it doesn't work on scum. So if someone refused the alignment change, but survived, mail-mi would know that person was scum.
Why would a cop be less broken than a vig?
vote: Awaclus while acknowledging that this also makes me look very bad for not unvoting when I could have saved mail-mi.
I have to admit the "keep mail-mi alive to use her as a cop" angle didn't occur to me. I could see it also not occurring to Awaclus who has been pretty adamant that the cult is not pro-town despite all evidence to the contrary. On the other hand, I feel kind of silly for overlooking that part of mail-mi's claim, and I think it's equally, if not more likely, that scum!Awaclus saw an opportunity to wipe out an investigative role with cover and took it.
Combine with Awaclus's behavior in the lead up to the LaLight lynch, which I still find scummy.
I like this better than UoS.
There was no reason to believe that he really had a cop ability.
Alternately. Ash could be the cult leader, and e her starting cult member. That would make perfect sense with her powers- lynchproof is great for a character whose death would result in the death of a whole faction. 1-shot vig is great for the leader of a faction who needs one specific town player to die in order to fulfill their win-con.
Did you miss this, joth?
I forgot about it, but I guess we're thinking alike again. But e can't be the recruit if ash is an even-night cult leader. e made the claim on Day 2.
Alternatiely. Ash could be the cult leader, and e her starting cult member. That would make perfect sense with her powers- lynchproof is great for a character whose death would result in the death of a whole faction. 1-shot vig is great for the leader of a faction who needs one specific town player to die in order to fulfill their win-con.
Alright, I think it's time for my big theory.
So I was thinking about e's theory that there are two survivors who are mirrors of each other -- one recruits odd nights, the other even, etc. So part of mail-mi's role was "vig". ... We know we have another vig. Another part of his role was "bulletproof". We don't know we have another one of those, but we do have someone who is lynchproof, which would be a cute "mirror".
So, what if ash is the other survivor? Per e's theory, the other survivor's cult should have at least one successful recruit by now. I think that's Awaclus, hence the sketchy hammer.
What has to be true if ash is the survivor? Either e was misled, or e lied. e has been pretty insistent about not being misled and there's nothing in mail-mi's role that suggests investigation immunity. That strongly points to scum!e.
Now, why would scum e! claim a town result on ashersky? It's a gambit, but one that worked out pretty well for him. Plus it leaves him the option of claiming full cop if he ever gets in hot water (full cops claiming 1-shot is considered an acceptable town lie).
ashersky knows e's result is fishy, and maybe even has concluded e is scummy, but he can't exactly say "wait, hold up, I'm not town".
Anyway, the main reason for ash to keep his identity secret was to stay safe from mail-mi's faction. And mail-mi is dead, with no recruits. So, ash and Awaclus, you can go ahead and claim, and then we can lynch e. Assuming of course, we believe the claim that the cult(s) win with town.
the idea behind wagoning Robz was that if he comes after vla and sees a wagon on him, if he is scum, he might've slipped, but whatever. I thought it was a good idea and try to contribute. Let's go back to vote: 2.71828.....
On the other hand, at post 699, LaLight, who we now know was scum, starts pushing a wagon on Robz. This doesn't exonerate UoS of course, but it's another data point.
We have e and ashersky, who are sort of tied together and who have been getting town passes for a single investigative result which could have been a scum gambit, either on a partner or a townie.
If we flip e, it actually tells us virtually nothing about Ash.. so I know you said "sort of tied together", but I find that thinking that way is unhelpful. Better to analyse each player based on their own play.
I think continuing to focus on mail-mi so much--something Joth is doing--is somewhat scummy. I've often seen mail-mi make himself into an easy target in games past, perhaps especially when town.
Trying to do a reread during my lunchbreak and this post stuck out at me. At the time Robz posts this, Awaclus is the one who is pushing mail-mi's wagon a lot harder than joth. In fact, joth has already started to back off mail-mi. Seems a little odd that Robz doesn't attack her.
On N1, how likely is it that mail-mi was the NK target? Like did she seem especially towny or PR-y at the time compared to everyone else?
Normally I don't think of mail-mi as a likely early NK target (no offense dead mail-mi), but was the general feeling in the game that that made more sense at the time?
Basically two survivors who win with town, but lose if the other one is still alive.
I like it as a mechanic. Simple, elegant
In your scenario, could the cult win without town, if the rest of us are dead or converted, but they still manage to kill LL's faction?
