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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 06:48:20 pm »
This is not a great situation for town to be in with 16 hours to deadline. We really need to start consolidating around a candidate if we want a lynch to happen.

Everyone is talking about debatepro but only 2 people are actually voting debatepro. That’s weird, isn’t it? This close to the end of the day shouldn’t we be talking about the leading wagons?


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 12:10:46 pm »
How does globule feel about joth?

Seems like he’s playing like he always does. Maybe a little less invested than usual. I guess that could be a scumtell, but eh, it’s not a great one. Easily explained by irl pressures. On the whole I’m townreading him.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 12:07:02 pm »
Also I really want pubby to explain why he said he was unlikely to move his vote from joth.
Dunno what's confusing about this. Joth was and is my strongest scumread by large enough margin to make up my mind. I don't see the point in second-guessing myself or muddying up the thread with meme votes. My vote remains.

That is an answer, but not one that makes me want to move my vote off of you.

Have you considered how this position looks to the rest of us? How it excludes you from interactions that we could use to judge your towniness?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:18:34 am »
Left out the space. vote: pubby. Normally I hate lurker lynches but given how the game basically died for like two days despite being a 15-person game I’m guessing we got some scum lurkers.
I don't follow your logic here.

I’m saying we have a lot of... let’s not saying lurkers, but not-super-active player. Enough that there’s almost certainly some scum there. And lynching a player who 1. Isn’t  really contributing and 2. We won’t have much info on going into future days is not the worst idea.

I’d rather lynch someone who’s acting scummy, but so far no one has really crossed that threshold for me.

Also I really want pubby to explain why he said he was unlikely to move his vote from joth.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:08:51 am »
MiX, if you want to lynch EFHW today, by all means make your case. I didn’t say I couldn’t be convinced.

Here’s where I am after reading her 16 posts. None of her posts came out as especially scummy to me. She didn’t come off especially townie either. Her vote on me was a little random, but we’re all kinda grasping at straws this game so I’m not going to hold it against her. Her position on letting the traitor signal so we can catch them is reasonable. She and I had the same thoughts about DatSwan at the same time, which makes me inclined to think her DatSwan vote was rational. But it was also a weak case, so she backing off was rational too. Would I have stayed on a little longer to let some pressure build up and force DatSwan to engage? Yes. Was not doing so scummy? Maybe a little, but probably it’s just a different town playstyle.

What am I missing?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 07:09:32 am »
Reread gkrieg and EFHW. Don't want to lynch either of them today.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 06:42:42 am »
Looks like I forgot Eddie and Gkrieg. So, for the sake of completeness- Eddie- slight town, gkrieg- slight scum for some of his reactions to setup/traitor discussion. Might also be worth a reread.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 06:38:51 am »
Left out the space. vote: pubby. Normally I hate lurker lynches but given how the game basically died for like two days despite being a 15-person game I’m guessing we got some scum lurkers.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 09, 2019, 06:37:07 am »
vote:pubby

As unsatisfied as I was with DatSwan’s answer, I don’t think it’s a strong case to lynch him on.

I don’t want to lynch joth or MiX. Joth because I am townreading him and MiX because I’m not scumreading him anymore than the baseline and he’s contributing more than most of the town. I sort of see the cases on debatepro and ss but I’m not sold.

I would like pubby to answer my question.

Townreading ADK, mcmc, and ash for now, with the caveat that ADK has fooled me well in the past.

EFHW is a total question mark for me. Maybe I’ll iso her this afternoon.

e, pps, pubby- gotta hear more from ya’ll.




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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 10:18:50 am »
Also, on a related note, if you think debatepro is probably scum why aren't you voting there?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 08, 2019, 10:16:49 am »
MiX, what exactly do you find scummy about joth? He's reading null-to-towny for me this game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 11:01:33 am »
Pubby, can you please explain what you meant when you said you "weren't likely to change your vote" from joth? It seems to me like it was ludicrously early to make such a statement.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 10:56:35 am »


Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I'd really like DatSwan and ADK to respond to this. I know I'm discussing a previous game, and I'd like to move away from that, but I can't when it looks to me like statements made in this game, about that game, by ADK and DatSwan, are lies. Lying is always scummy, whether its about a current game or an older one. The fact that neither one has acknowledged my post makes them both seem scummier to me.

DatSwan and ADK: Why did you say DatSwan was genuinely confused about the setup last game, when your scum QT clearly shows that he understood the setup?

Honestly I may have been misremembering things. I remember at the time being frustrated because I thought that swan's setup posts were genuinely confused about things and he was attracting unnecessary attention because of it. There certainly wasn't any discussion of "I'm going to try and fake setup confusion so that people think I'm town". You're correct that the scum qt and swan's post seem to contradict each other; either swan really was faking or, as I think is possible, he just forgot between N0 and that post.

Thanks.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 10:16:16 am »
In this case, I can't see how an answer would persuade you, if this is the case, then they have already scumslipped.

This is so awfully worded that I just have to correct it: "If this is the case you're pushing, then an answer can't change anything, because they have already scumslipped."


There are several answers I would consider satisfactory. Obviously if I told you what these answers are, they would be able to just parrot them back to me, so I won't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 09:50:28 am »


Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I'd really like DatSwan and ADK to respond to this. I know I'm discussing a previous game, and I'd like to move away from that, but I can't when it looks to me like statements made in this game, about that game, by ADK and DatSwan, are lies. Lying is always scummy, whether its about a current game or an older one. The fact that neither one has acknowledged my post makes them both seem scummier to me.

DatSwan and ADK: Why did you say DatSwan was genuinely confused about the setup last game, when your scum QT clearly shows that he understood the setup?




In what way does this question help you read them this game?

I don't think town has reason to lie about anything.

Trouble is, I'm also struggling to come up with a reason for scum to lie about something so irrelevant.

But I also can't reconcile their statements with the evidence.

Also, the mere fact that ADK has posted since I made this post two days ago but hasn't acknowledged it is scummy to me in its own way. (DatSwan gets a pass, I guess, since he hasn't posted since, so its conceivable he might not have seen it.) I will often ignore votes on me if I think they're based on nothing or they're based on something I've already defended myself on, but not responding to an accusation of contradiction/lying at all is suspect.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 07, 2019, 09:37:31 am »


Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I'd really like DatSwan and ADK to respond to this. I know I'm discussing a previous game, and I'd like to move away from that, but I can't when it looks to me like statements made in this game, about that game, by ADK and DatSwan, are lies. Lying is always scummy, whether its about a current game or an older one. The fact that neither one has acknowledged my post makes them both seem scummier to me.

DatSwan and ADK: Why did you say DatSwan was genuinely confused about the setup last game, when your scum QT clearly shows that he understood the setup?



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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 05, 2019, 09:28:28 am »

I have to more to say later but for the record, that was scum!swan sincerely misunderstanding the setup

ADK was my skum buddy and the skum thread is open now for that game. Please feel free to go back and check that I was sadly just being a freekin idiot.

I did check the scum QT. Here's what I found. It's interesting.

Here is a quote from DatSwan, Night 0, in the scum QT for the game in question:

Quote
4) Odd Night Promoter - This role is the most important thing to exist in the game imo. We know they exist, but on Day 2 it is unlikely that Town will know if the promoter is Town or Skum, which works in our favor. Combine that with the fact that they have no idea who town or skum is and could be setting up a Town V Town situation... if we see fit we can def get rid of them before they get a shot #2.

And here is his first post in the game itself:

Hey everyone! Good to have another game on here

Summary of thoughts:

1) Promoter Claim - Since we don't know if there is a Promoter, combined with the chance that there is a Mafia Promoter instead of a Town Promoter who could claim and then even "prove it" if we were to force the target options on them... I am not seeing a super upside for a Promoter Claim. Additionally, the Town Promoter is potentially a very strong role if I understand it correctly... but its value only grows as the game goes on. They get to enhance reads, isolate based on claims, etc... and all of that increases the chances of finding good targets. So yeah... I think I am against the Promoter Claim because I think Skum would probably want to get rid of them.

2) Joth is def the Jester.

Bolding mine. I can't see how you can read these two quotes and think scum!DatSwan was sincerely confused about the setup.


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 05:35:33 pm »
I also fail to see in what world Swan would think that tidbit would make people scumread ash.

Really? Ash basically said (sorry can’t quote I’m on mobile) “I’m more likely to make a plan as scum” and several months ago said “my plans aren’t alignment indicative”. The implicit argument in Swan’s Question is “he contradicted himself so one of the statements must be a lie”. And since the older statement was in a game where ash was town, the further implication is that it is the quote from this game that is, in fact, the lie.

That was my interpretation anyway. But maybe I’m reading too much into Swan’s post.

Anyway, this has been a fun Socratic discussion but my phone is about to die so I will be back in a few hours probably.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 05:22:02 pm »

How does mischaracterizing ash's statement help scum win?

This is kinda mafia 101 isn’t it? Scum wants town players to be more suspicious of other town players. Scum also wants to look like they’re scum hunting. In the scenario where DatSwan is scum and ash is town, DatSwan’s statement accomplishes both those things.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 05:04:40 pm »

In what do you base your suspicion that scum is more likely to misinterpret and mischaracterize ash's statement?

Not sure I understand your question. Misinterpret and Mischaracterize are very different things.

Scum is more likely to mischaracterize ash's statement because that helps them win. Intentionally mischaracterizing another player's statement as town is very bad play.

Scum isn't any more likely to misinterpret ash's statement, but I don't think that's what happened here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 04:50:42 pm »
I'm realizing that DatSwan is getting a meta for imprecision. Anyone else I would have voted for misreading ash (plans vs. planning) and mischaracterizing a post. I don't think that's a great meta for us to accept complacently, so vote: DatSwan anyway.

PPE: Glooble

We did that last time, and that's how we lynched scum. I seriously doubt he would do this on purpose this game.

He's not doing the same thing though. In that game DatSwan spent a lot of day 1 just straight up pretending to have misread crucial portions of the setup (I assume to make people think he couldn't possibly be scum, since scum think harder about that stuff and have a QT to discuss it before the game starts.)  That's very different than presenting a misleading case on another player.

And when has Swan presented a case on ash? He merely pointed out an inconsistency, which was something I was also thinking about knowing how ash talked about plans in the recent past.

I suppose you're right that DatSwan didn't exactly make a case on Ash. Or rather, the case was implied by his question, but not stated outright.  Either way, the point is he mischaracterized ash's statement. And that's scummy.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 04:40:04 pm »
I'm realizing that DatSwan is getting a meta for imprecision. Anyone else I would have voted for misreading ash (plans vs. planning) and mischaracterizing a post. I don't think that's a great meta for us to accept complacently, so vote: DatSwan anyway.

PPE: Glooble

We did that last time, and that's how we lynched scum. I seriously doubt he would do this on purpose this game.

He's not doing the same thing though. In that game DatSwan spent a lot of day 1 just straight up pretending to have misread crucial portions of the setup (I assume to make people think he couldn't possibly be scum, since scum think harder about that stuff and have a QT to discuss it before the game starts.)  That's very different than presenting a misleading case on another player.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 03:49:59 pm »
MiX is fickle.

In other news, the Pope is Catholic.

One of these games I'll learn how to read MiX.
I see ash's point about wanting to get out of the plan business. People like to rely on them as a way to get out of RVS, but why should he be responsible for doing that every game? Also, they are NAI. And finally, that post DatSwan found is 5 months old and not even a contradiction, really.


I was thinking this too. I think I like vote: DatSwan better than MiX for now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 04, 2019, 01:40:35 pm »
Is tunneling on the notion of a traitor in the same vein as tunneling on finding the SK (i.e. scumtell)?

I would think not. Scum actually wants the SK lynched. They absolutely do not want the traitor lynched. Big difference.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 03, 2019, 02:20:23 pm »
vote: gkrieg this is the kind of setup comment that can't possibly be good for town


Sorry, but why not? What exactly is wrong with making sure town is aware of how much or little time we might have, and how much leeway there is for making mistakes? I understand the underlying reason for not discussing the setup, but this seems like an exception to me. It's quite likely I'm missing something though. So if you can tell me why you think this particular line of questioning is anti-town I'd love to hear it.

That being said, if there's some reason why even explaining that is anti-town then please do not explain and I will abide by the consensus.

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