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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 01:04:55 pm »

 Also, Axxle, I disagree that we're talking "too much theory". I am explicitly trying to figure out what peoples voting patterns are going to be, and how they feel about letting the Mafia have more/less time to play around in the RVS. This can be very important to know if we approach an early vote before the deadline. Why are you so quick to write it off?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 01:00:29 pm »

So, are we to discern +1 on posts as sign of people believe in someones towniness?
As I don't use that feature at all, nor look at it, might need to.

I don't like using +1 because it's way to ambiguous to what you mean by it.  It could just mean "good point" or "I like the flavor" or something.  People need to explicitly state what they like about a post.

And if you look, I believe I did. But hopefully my last post clarified any remaining ambiguities. I think the math is sound, it was a well made point.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:58:54 pm »

So, are we to discern +1 on posts as sign of people believe in someones towniness?
As I don't use that feature at all, nor look at it, might need to.

Not at all. C.F. Could very easily be Mafia. I just think he made a good point, and I agree with him on it. I don't always upvote, but will if the inclination strikes me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:49:17 pm »

@ C.F. - +1 for using the math I posted in M-III. Lynching simply IS mathematically better than no lynching. However, informed lynching IS better than random lynching, which is, I believe, the crux of Axxle's referenced article. So +1 to him too.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:42:18 pm »

Also another very good reason against an early day end: It (often) prevents the victim having a chance to defend themselves. If they have an important role like the cop, doctor or vigilante, we do NOT want to lynch them, and if we're in the mentality of 'don't lynch until we're sure' they get more time to claim. In fact, in general I consider giving the final vote suspicious, if the general consensus of everyone isn't already that the person has no chance to defend themselves successfully, and there's no more information to gain from the day. A person being at -1 from lynch is far from implying that.

I absolutely agree with your point about allowing any and all chance for a defense. I don't, however, find the ultimate vote as scummy. It COULD be a Mafia, but is a whole lot more dangerous place for them to put themselves.

Consider, with 8 to lynch, if a player already has 7, and there is an unvoted Mafia, there is a good chance the person will be lynched regardless. There must be some consensus that got the person to 7 to begin with, right? And if any vote slot will naturally "appear" scummy, it's the final one. I believe Mafia are MUCH more inclined not to vote there, and then use the innocent person who does as a target day 2. The penultimate vote is much more revealing to me. Thoughts?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:30:45 pm »

The longer day 1 draws out, the more posts and information there is available to be analysed. The more posts there are, the easier it is to spot where the mafia might be, and to scumhunt effectively. We don't need to use all 3 weeks, of course, but ending the day early because we can is a sure-fire way to losing (Look at Mafia II: Morgrim ended the day early, which stopped me finishing my note taking before the end of the day, which after starting in the night had left me very suspicious of three people, two of which were mafia).

Like I mentioned before, I'm certainly in no hurry to lynch, but do you disagree that dragging on day 1 for the [/i]sole purpose[/i] of letting people talk more can be as detrimental (and often more) than helpful? The reasons I listed above are that they have longer to build allegiances, and they have longer to spread confusion by dividing the townand getting us to quarrel amongst ourselves. In a 9 player game, that effect was seen on a smaller scale, so want quite as apparent (though it was there). In a 13 player game, it was VERY apparent. And here we have 15 people. It's going to devolve into chaos the longer it has the opportunity to do so. Do you disagree?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:15:37 pm »

Well, in that case.

Ahem.

Pick me! I'm scum!

But seriously, Galz, I am at work and I shouldn't even BE posting right now. But rest assured that when I get home this evening I will put on my scumhunting hat and get to work.

No problem J, just don't forget the question. I am curious.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:10:35 pm »

@Insomniac

"It seems to me that the longer day 1 is drawn out, the more it helps the town"

Could you elaborate? I'm inclined to disagree to an extent. I don't think we should lynch quickly, but confusion is the tool Mafia use best, and the longer the have to burrow their holes, make friends, and divide, confuse, and separate townies the better it'll be for them. People can be blind to their beliefs, and it becomes increasingly easy for Mafia to exploit that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 11:56:31 am »

@Grujah

I don't fully buy the "newb" argument anymore. There are previous games up to have read if you were really unsure of how day 1 can go, but even if you didn't feel like reading them (no problem, won't hold it against you), I've come to have too much respect for the intelligence of the members of this forum. I've read many of your posts elsewhere, and know that my thoughts on the general populace are no different individually for you.

With that said, your question regarding what roles should reveal strikes me as odd. All of the roles are in the first post to review. Which of those did you think might have reason to, and why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 11:48:17 am »

@Insomniac:

Are you suggesting that if somebody did scream "Pick me, I'm scum", that we should ignore them because they drew the suspicion on themselves? May I infer by that, that you believe the Mafia will be doing very little to act suspicious, and the best they can to appear town?

If that's true, will your suspicions be towards those who appear town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 04, 2012, 11:42:00 am »

Let's make it our goal to be the first F.DS mafia town to lynch scum Day 1! I believe in us. We can do it.

Well, if you want to find scum so much today (admirable goal, who doesn't? (aside from scum)), what are your proposed methods? What are you going to look for? I think you would agree nobody is going to jump up and down screaming "Me! Pick me! I'm scum!". So, what should we look fir?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance: The Empire Must Fall

« on: June 04, 2012, 12:23:10 am »

Man, now I'm bored with both Mafia threads closed!

eHalcyon, it's shocking that I can't find more info. There's a great post about how to play spy that mentions it, but only that it's super good for Resistance, and how to negate it's effects if placed on a known spy.

My thought then is that it should go on a known Resistance, but outside myself, whom you can't really trust, and without putting it on yourself, I don't know what to tell you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:52:20 pm »

@e,, yes exactly. The Mafia have reason to take him out, which is highly unfair to town because he has not been present. If they hit someone else with few posts, or light posting, fine. But up until this point, def has not been a part of this game. Why should Mafia get a free night kill with no possible consequences?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:47:48 pm »

And would the people like to suggest whom I should use my power ON? Cause firing it blindly is ... not protown.

I'd like you to flip a coin. Heads, Captain Frisk, Tails, O.

Killing someone whose going to get lynched anyways (because people tend to believe Galzria for some reason) is good townie strategy.

Nice redirect.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:46:40 pm »

What I mean, is that Mafia targeting him would be HIGHLY unfair to the town, as they can't make any case as to WHY, because def was not present.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:44:56 pm »

Can we get a result on def to remove an easy night kill target? There would be NO added suspicion for the town to gain info from based on his death.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:41:49 pm »

My reasons (again, and for reference) are posts #860, & 861.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:36:03 pm »

I believe the information is all out on the table now to produce a town win. Don't waste my death, and don't be hoodwinked by the Mafia. I'll be rooting for you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:32:59 pm »

Notice I "snapped" at a 3-3-3 vote (none on me). To protect unknown powers, and since I couldn't convince to lynch J today, I - wait - HAD CONVICTION about needing a lynch, even a known townie. Even me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:29:43 pm »

Because a lynch HAD to happen, I WASN'T a power role, and there is a LOT to be gained from looking st what I said, and who went after me and why.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:28:13 pm »

Confused me at first too Robz. Didn't feel like correcting. Glad you noticed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:26:13 pm »

I'm at 7 now Eevee, and town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:25:22 pm »

That is dead on why Robz. SO, if you turn out to have played me, /applause. But I believe you're town. Even now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:20:09 pm »

Haha, no problem M. It's the right choice for town, even though I'm town as well. No hard feelings.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars DAY 1 UNDERWAY

« on: June 03, 2012, 11:16:19 pm »

I still can't wrap my head around WHY the ONLY response about J's roleclaim being genuine is "because he did it". I'm sorry. How many times have I said that while I have convictions, and say I'm certain, I'm willing to listen to good reason? But NOBODY will answer that. His claim was equally likely as Mafia, so WHY has it aquitted him?