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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 06:20:45 pm »

Damn, I started typing INSIDE the quote tags.  Oh well, you guys will figure it out, I'm not retyping just for humor.

EVERYONE NOTE:  Galzria's words in the above quote end at "for mentioning s.....  cr...es."

I performed on stage for about 10 years. We grew past most* superstitions.

Now the baseball coaching on the other hand.....

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 05:37:42 pm »

Hey, I take offense at that! I'm never offline! I've got (nearly) 20 days logged to prove it!

At some point a few minutes ago - it said you were offline - which I noted as completely out of character.

It was SFS's fault for mentioning server crashes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 05:34:43 pm »

Hey, I take offense at that! I'm never offline! I've got (nearly) 20 days logged to prove it!

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Dominion Articles / Re: Young Witch

« on: June 08, 2012, 04:19:17 pm »

I'm terrible with YW. I'm not great at sifting strategies (need to improve), and I can never get a good read on the power of middling banes. So I generally ignore it unless there is an obvious reason for me to go for it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 03:59:08 pm »

Raise your hand if you're buying SFS's case right now.

I won't discredit much at this point, but I'm not looking or thinking pairs until I see a flip.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 03:52:08 pm »

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 03:39:27 pm »

I agree with Robz that a Cop should investigate the suspicious. I strongly disagree with his list. I think the Cop should use their own reads, and not be influenced. Mafia will mislead with names, Town won't know for sure, so could suggest bad ideas.

Protectors, Robz is spot on. Protect the town people you find most helpful. Again, decide for yourself based on the lynch flip.

Vig, hold off unless you're confident. I'm not sure though. Not familiar enough with the role and it's intricacies.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:30:30 pm »

*Grujah was an example.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:29:49 pm »

This is why I don't like them, and why I refused Axxle last night to make one:

As Mafia, I can look back at all the suspicions, notice *Grujah is high up (or above average) in almost all of them, and tailor my argument against him next round, with most of the research done for me.

It's not that those posts are or are not a good place for mafia to hide. I had no problem making them in M-II, and keeping Robz near the top. It's that you're providing fodder and reasoning for the Mafia, and allowing them to play you and your suspicions.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Merchant Ship

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:11:03 pm »

Poor merchant ship. You deserved the +buys, not Wharf.

MS would be WAY to strong with +buy. It allows for a consistency that is only really balanced by it's natural ability to only purchase one thing. Wharf, because it can draw itself and other cards dead, survives on it's + buy (although I would think it more balanced if it dud not provide that benefit as a duration).

Are you really trying to argue that MS with buy would be better than wharf as-is?
Looks like I need to go write the wharf article.

I think Wharf is too strong as-is. I think MS with +buy would be on par with Wharf.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Merchant Ship

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:05:51 pm »

Poor merchant ship. You deserved the +buys, not Wharf.

MS would be WAY to strong with +buy. It allows for a consistency that is only really balanced by it's natural ability to only purchase one thing. Wharf, because it can draw itself and other cards dead, survives on it's + buy (although I would think it more balanced if it dud not provide that benefit as a duration).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:40:11 pm »

@Axxle

The quoted post of mine was not directed at or about you. It  was a response to Robz on my thoughts about Glooble/Grujah and their votes on you.

Yes.  I was wondering why the apparent double standard.

There is no double standard. I've laid out my case against you on numerous occasions, and vote placement is only a small part of it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:32:44 pm »

@Axxle

The quoted post of mine was not directed at or about you. It  was a response to Robz on my thoughts about Glooble/Grujah and their votes on you.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Merchant Ship

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:21:50 pm »

I love Merchant Ship, so versatile.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 12:54:06 pm »

Okay, Glooble and Grujah's votes are pretty scummy, yes? Does this give anyone pause?

Yes, absolutely. But we'll know for sure if/when Axxle flips. I'm not inclined to think that either is capable of bussing, but wouldn't completely write it off either.

For the record (and clarity),I'm not suspicious because of the timing of their votes. That would be ridiculous. If people never cast votes #6 or #7 or #8, nobody will ever get lynched. This discussion occurred earlier. I put little value in the placement of votes based solely on the same. So what makes them suspicious is the listed reasonings along WITH the vote placement.

I would also be inclined to reach night, and gather what information we can on dawn D2, but that wouldn't alone be a good enough reason for me to cast my vote somewhere.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 08:21:56 am »

Always fun to start the day off with several new pages of arguments.  Axxle hasn't done anything new to further cast suspicion, and I don't yet see anything else that changes my mind.

Overly Antagonistic O: Since my argument for Axxle is empty and without merit, would you like to present your argument for theorel using more than a sentence?

Besides the freudian slip pops mentioned (seriously, who says "if I flip town" like he doesn't know?) and the general nervous volume of Axxle's posts this morning.

He does seem determined to change targets, and he's trying to do it in as straight, and calm a manner as he can. Almost feels rehearsed to me, not genuine at all. Well, the redirecting is, but his method doesn't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1; DISCUSSION QUICKTOPIC NOW OPEN)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:42:55 am »

@Grujah, you got anything to add?

On what exactly? Jo? Generally who I consider scummy?

(Also, your last few posts give me big townie read, unlike before.)

Just looking over some people that have behaved strangely before and now.  This is Grujah's last post, and he was most recently logged in twenty minutes ago.  He's lurking, which smacks of scum.

Hey look Axxle, I agree with you on something! Post more Grujah!

Ok, not entirely. It doesn't "smack of scum" to me, but the rest of your point is taken/well made.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:40:47 am »

I no longer have my vote on pops and am trying to start another bandwagon at the moment 

He's working hard too. I /applaud his effort.

Also, a small note Robz (although likely irrelevant to the point you made), is that at some point this game, everybody has cast their vote at least once (I believe).

Still, I'm tired now, so I'm going to sleep. See you all in 4 hours. Don't kill anyone while I'm away. I'd hate to miss the entertainment.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:31:26 am »

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=stats

weeeeee are the champiooonnssss

+1. /Raises Glass

So. How about that official Dominion App?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:28:05 am »

@SFS: That is a very nice conspiracy theory regarding me and CF.  I enjoyed reading it.

@Galz: It feels like you want all discussion to be about me and J.  Is that correct?  Are you willing to discuss the possibility of other players being mafia?

I don't care who you want to discuss. I'm not going to start making cases against everybody here though. If I feel an argument or case is warranted against someone, I'll make it. Otherwise, no, I will not feed the Mafia fodder.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 02:11:10 am »

Misrepresentation is either misunderstanding or lying, if the latter it seems pretty serious to me.

What I mean is you shouldn't just dismiss it.

I'm comfortable enough with my own reads right now.

Without making any illegal references... don't get cocky  I really don't want to have to campaign for a Galzria lynch

I'll say the same thing here I did to Jothonah. Empty threats will not make me back down.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:59:33 am »

Misrepresentation is either misunderstanding or lying, if the latter it seems pretty serious to me.

What I mean is you shouldn't just dismiss it.

I'm comfortable enough with my own reads right now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:49:56 am »

@Axxle, outside of J, nothing the others have done has been egregious enough for me to comment on at this time. I don't believe in naming names and spreading suspicion. If I want information, I'll attempt to go and get it. If I'm ready to make an argument, I'll present the things I feel are relevant.

But I won't throw a "what if" case together for everyone that allows the Mafia to pick and choose arguments that look good. Especially because there is a high likelihood that some of the people that I might suspect, are known non-scum to the Mafia.

I presented a case, why don't you either refute it or agree with it.

Seemed rather non-existant to me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:41:31 am »

@Axxle, outside of J, nothing the others have done has been egregious enough for me to comment on at this time. I don't believe in naming names and spreading suspicion. If I want information, I'll attempt to go and get it. If I'm ready to make an argument, I'll present the things I feel are relevant.

But I won't throw a "what if" case together for everyone that allows the Mafia to pick and choose arguments that look good. Especially because there is a high likelihood that some of the people that I might suspect, are known non-scum to the Mafia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 START!)

« on: June 08, 2012, 01:08:39 am »

J, I believe the people who SAY things that are Pro-Town, but DO things that invariably have a divisive outcome to appear scummy. I look for people who's actions don't meet their words.

Galzria, who would you say matches this most, just curious.

Well, you for starters. It's the core to my vote and argument against you. I feel that your use of "theory" (If we should continue D1 when we could lynch for the "sole purpose" of continuing discussion) post went against your words early on of such information being irrelevant.

I have no problem with your belief in and of itself, and had you stated it way back at post #100, I would never have voted for you the first time. But timing is everything, and your usage of that platform came at a time when it *could have* (and was obviously meant to) had an impact.

After you, it's a tossup. Dsell has some interesting things going on (outside of misinterpretations by others). So does Theorel. J certainly raises flags still. But right now you're top of my list.