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Forum Games / Re: Well done, folks, well done:
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:37:47 am »
It's funny because the title post of this thread, WAS the tiebreaking post. 
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:34:23 am »
Of course you should hesitate*
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:33:26 am »@Eevee: Well, if C_F is town, Mafia might find it in their best interest to get him got because he spurs so much conversation. Sometimes he leads the town, yes, but he also has contributed lots to town. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's certainly feasible.
@Galzria: So basically you are fine with both non-claims and VT-claims getting lynched? So your system IS the same, in that case. You are refusing to claim. By that logic, should we not hesitate to lynch you?
Of course you should. I have not claimed "not-PR". Frisk has. Which would you rather lynch?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:25:35 am »@Galzria: Here's the thing with your logic: You assume that PR's feel obligated to legit-claim at L-1. You don't see C_F pulling of a TINAS*. However, the correct play for a PR would be to claim VT given the logic provided. In fact, when you encourage all to not claim at all, you are advocating for the same system as C_F is except that instead of no claim, all claim VT. So really, I don't think that his system is that much different than yours. I'm not saying I like either, but I do feel like it's silly to have you argue over that when in reality you two are thinking more alike than is apparent at first.
*For those who didn't follow TINAS's actions in MI or MII (I don't remember which), he was the Town Cop who got to L-1 and was fine dying but eventually did not get lynched and won them the game, so to TINAS is to not claim your PR when at L-1.
It's different because he has essentially claimed VT, and gotten people to move on over it. If he's not lynched, Mafia need never claim again. I agree the system is stupid. Mafia need to know that not claiming, or claiming VT gets you lynched - because it will becoming increasingly more difficult to verify these claims, whereas forcing scum to survive on PR claims gives us something to latch onto that can often be verified.
Well, "gotten people to move on over it" isn't completely accurate, but you understand my meaning - especially when the original post was written in response to Timchen asking for a L-1 claim so he could possibly hammer at a later time.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:22:53 am »@Galzria: Here's the thing with your logic: You assume that PR's feel obligated to legit-claim at L-1. You don't see C_F pulling of a TINAS*. However, the correct play for a PR would be to claim VT given the logic provided. In fact, when you encourage all to not claim at all, you are advocating for the same system as C_F is except that instead of no claim, all claim VT. So really, I don't think that his system is that much different than yours. I'm not saying I like either, but I do feel like it's silly to have you argue over that when in reality you two are thinking more alike than is apparent at first.
*For those who didn't follow TINAS's actions in MI or MII (I don't remember which), he was the Town Cop who got to L-1 and was fine dying but eventually did not get lynched and won them the game, so to TINAS is to not claim your PR when at L-1.
It's different because he has essentially claimed VT, and gotten people to move on over it. If he's not lynched, Mafia need never claim again. I agree the system is stupid. Mafia need to know that not claiming, or claiming VT gets you lynched - because it will becoming increasingly more difficult to verify these claims, whereas forcing scum to survive on PR claims gives us something to latch onto that can often be verified.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia IV - You'll really get nothing. I don't know if you'll like it.
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:17:28 am »Game 1 Vote: Morgrim
Game 2 Vote: Morgrim
The man wants to double-self-hammer. Who am I to deny him that? (Hopefully I'm not actually denying him that. With no votecounts, WHO KNOWS)
No, but I will! He sole one hammer from me today, now I shall repay him in kind!
Vote: Morgrim7
(Mine is actually hammer if you count, Morgrim, so
)
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Forum Games / Re: ZM1: Forum Blitz Mafia 1
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:14:40 am »
How have I not replied to this? And why would Insomniac not auto-enter me?
-1 point sir. -1 point.
-1 point sir. -1 point.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 27, 2012, 01:04:13 am »I won't claim, period. If I'm a PR, you lynch me, end of story. CF is leading you like cattle looking for PR's for his scumteam to kill.
Something about this post keeps me coming back to it. He is (naturally) defensive, but the adamant refusal to claim just strikes me as too uncompromising. It's almost like he's daring us to lynch him.
Read it in context with this post:
@Galz?
Apologies - I can only read and respond to so many things at a time!
It's a tough question. Here's how I break things down:
A) Mafia may not always claim PR. If the assumption is that they will, it's the perfect backdoor for them NOT to.
B) Still, Mafia IS more likely than not to claim.
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• You didn't claim. I'm sorry, but I don't see you pulling off a TINAS (win or lose I will applaud you at game end if you did). You are either VT, or scum.
C) Is it better to lynch VT, or hunt scum? Well, doing this works under the assumption that A) is never true. Consider, if we keep hunting, and find another VT, they claim so, and we move on. If we find scum, they claim VT, and we move on. If we find a PR, they tell the truth, as town often does, and then we're in a bad spot.
Thing is, if we let you get away with this, as town or scum, we're opening the doors to scum of the future. So in that sense, yes, a CF lynch is logical, regardless of if you flip VT or Mafia.
Essentially, I will not allow to play the "wagon 'till they claim!" Game. It's a purely anti-town move, because PR's feel forced to claim at L-1, while scum just claim VT so that the wagon gets dropped.
I will not let him out PR's in that fashion, and I will not claim. Period.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Queue
« on: July 27, 2012, 12:55:00 am »Oh, when should I start it up?
Honestly? (and you can lynch me for saying this) Probably after SOMETHING ends somewhere. I think my brain might explode otherwise.
I need to dig up the post where people were laughing at Robz for being crazy enough to be in TWO (*Gasp!*) Mafia games at the same time....
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Leaderboard - Through Game V
« on: July 27, 2012, 12:39:45 am »trying to update game VI: can someone tell me what day zxcvbn2 was modkilled? He was modkilled right? Has anyone else been modkilled?
Err, D1 Zxcvbn was "modkilled" along with Axxle, resulting in Axxle2 joining the game with all of Zxcvbn's information and setup.
Unless I'm SERIOUSLY misremembering...
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Leaderboard - Through Game V
« on: July 27, 2012, 12:38:56 am »trying to update game VI: can someone tell me what day zxcvbn2 was modkilled? He was modkilled right? Has anyone else been modkilled?
Err, D1 Zxcvbn was "modkilled" along with Axxle, resulting in Axxle2 joining the game with all of Zxcvbn's information and setup.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Role Madness Mafia I (Day 3 Started, PM for Spectator's QT)
« on: July 27, 2012, 12:33:42 am »cayvie was black market, but is now young witch. Grujah's ability that was in the trash has become masquerade. Evidently someone has shuffled some roles around. Whoever started the game as a Masquerade, I suspect, is now a Black Market, which is a role that (again, guesswork) allows you to pick from a pool of roles not in the game, including Spy (and something that doublevotes - bureacrat? gevernor?)
My, we certianly have learned a lot.
Double votes, AND gains VP....
Nobles? 2 actions + VP?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Queue
« on: July 27, 2012, 12:30:48 am »Have a BM game ready.
Does it involve being forced to vote someone every time you post more than an hour apart? Plus being forced to hammer at every opportunity - including (and especially) self-hammering?
SO /in!
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:41:20 pm »## I support this assignment: Vote: Yes
He's just trying to throw us off, right?
Not the end of the world if you pass it and it fails. Gives Resistance tons of new information, right?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VII: The Annual Nose-Stealing Competition (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:39:38 pm »Ok. Spent some time reviewing the eevee case.
In conclusion, I don't think we should consider lynching eevee at current stage. He played quite similar to M6 near the end of the first day. But more importantly, if he were mafia and frisk were not, there would be no reason at all for him to hold his opinion strongly toward frisk, while at the same time fire at various different people. And if they both are mafia, it doesn't hurt to lynch frisk first.
So, based on this, I would say if we want to lynch eevee we should always lynch frisk first. eevee cannot be mafia unless frisk is also mafia.
I won't lynch Eevee for meta-game reasons. It's really, really mean to lynch or kill somebody first round in back-to-back games, unless I am practically certain they are mafia.
That is, while not Anti-Town, certainly not exclusively PRO town either. But... I can respect your reasons.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:36:45 pm »
## I support this assignment: Vote: Yes
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Role Madness Mafia I (Day 3 Started, PM for Spectator's QT)
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:13:13 pm »
Ahem* ARE, not ATE. 
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Role Madness Mafia I (Day 2 Started, PM for Spectator's QT)
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:12:22 pm »We do have a place to look at scumhunting, who voted Grujah. We don't know his alignment, but we know a bandwagon started.
As for my VPs, I know why I got as many as I did. In fact, I should have gotten more. It's possible, although very unlikely, that I'll get similar numbers tonight. I might even hurt myself VP wise.
I think it's worth pointing out... this is a 16 player game, with a relatively weak mafia (4 men is meh, no kill is bad). I wouldn't be surprised if there's a serial killer, or some other kind of 3rd party (Heck, I discounted it yesterday, but plausibly, there could be a cult, considering no deaths and only one major -Vp award last night (=> no SK))
Tables: you didn't happen to find out if any new members were added to the Black Market when I left, did you?
Added in to Tables' claim, care to expand you two? Who else is in your cult/3rd party? What ate your wincons?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia Queue
« on: July 26, 2012, 11:07:34 pm »
Holy **** I have a ton of threads and posts to read. 7 games, by last count, and 1001 QT's to each, plus the PM's of Diplomacy. 
Oh, and @Grujah, /in
Also, @Cayvie, /in
.....
Oh, and @Grujah, /in
Also, @Cayvie, /in
.....
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia IV - You'll really get nothing. I don't know if you'll like it.
« on: July 26, 2012, 06:07:20 pm »
Stump.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 05:32:05 pm »By the way, everyone:
We can basically agree to ignore whatever Galzria says from here on out, right? We know he's a Spy, and he knows we know this, so whatever he says has to be designed to sow maximum confusion. Better to just ignore him and let him rant into empty space.
You should listen to Cayvie. You'll need her to win.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 05:25:16 pm »Bah! failed mission, but at least we know we can't send Galz. Which probably means we can trust Robz/Qvist right?
Well, we know that if Robz is Spy, so is Qvist.
It's still *technically* possible for Robz, Qvist, and Galz to all be Spies.
More likely, Robz is Resistance. He's passed up a couple opportunities to do things like argue that he should hold onto the card or use it on Qvist.
Qvist, however, we still don't know anything about for certain. I'm leaning toward Resistance, but his behavior is still easily explicable as Spy.
HOWEVER: this little exchange between Galz and Insomniac happening as I type this makes me realllly think Qvist is Resistance, and Galz/Ins are Spyfriends.
I agree with this assessment. Actually, I thought my original respond of "pretty much" was to you - but I stand by it.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 05:14:36 pm »I use In the Spotlight on Galzria.
Apologies for the delay! So many things going on - I'm still behind!
Alright, glad this is out of the way now. I was really worried about 2 anti-spy cards given the upcoming missions, so it was MORE than worth it to slide down 1-2 to burn KaCEoY.
Well spies, well played. I'm feeling pretty darn good about this: ## I sabotage this mission!
Now, the fun begins!
Bah! failed mission
Pretty much.
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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Resistance II: The Empire Strikes Back
« on: July 26, 2012, 05:11:29 pm »I use In the Spotlight on Galzria.
Apologies for the delay! So many things going on - I'm still behind!
Alright, glad this is out of the way now. I was really worried about 2 anti-spy cards given the upcoming missions, so it was MORE than worth it to slide down 1-2 to burn KaCEoY.
Well spies, well played. I'm feeling pretty darn good about this: ## I sabotage this mission!
Now, the fun begins!