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theorel has done his fair share of analysis on top of providing us that information. I dont regret defending him one bit. I'm not saying he couldnt be scum, but  clearly he has been the most pro-town player here today.

You always think IIOA is a towntell though.

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@Galz
I don't think anyone else can direct your magic wagons.   And, I don't think they need to point at scum. IMO the value of the wagons you start aren't that they get scum lynched but rather that they get scum to join.  I tried to explain in MVI.  The value of your wagons in MIV wasn't that you were choosing scum, but that scum thought them viable enough to join with scummy reasoning.  From my perspective, that's what wagons are all about.  We get someone to look like a tasty lynch candidate, and the scum jump on it, and then we say, "hold on, that doesn't fit", that's the scumslip.  The trick especially seems to be that you have to actually be convinced that person is scum (in order to trick scum into joining), and then be willing to look past your conviction on the matter to see the scum egging you on.  You managed to do that in MIV day1 (with the jo wagon), but not day2 (the Grujah wagon).  So, maybe in order to use your wagon powers, you have to become convinced that someone is scum...that might be why they stopped working, because you pushed too many town-wagons and lost confidence in yourself.

That is oddly fascinating analysis and theory. I think I'll have to read it again a few times.

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Hey, point me to scum and I'll start my magic wagon skillz! I just don't know who to work them on. Right now I'm on who I view to be the sunniest ITT, but I'm hardly convinced.

*grumble* stupid auto correct. I meant SCUMMIEST, not sunniest. O isn't very sunny at all.

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Hey, point me to scum and I'll start my magic wagon skillz! I just don't know who to work them on. Right now I'm on who I view to be the sunniest ITT, but I'm hardly convinced.

13830
Here's how I'm looking at things Tim:

There are 7 players alive, 5 of which are town and it takes 4 to lynch.

In order to lynch scum, we need 4 town votes.

The only active to semi-active people in this thread are Eevee, you and me.

That leaves YN/SB/PPS/Manda who aren't contributing much of anything.

Now, there MUST be 2 town in that set. And unless Eevee, you and me are all town, there are actually 3 town in that set.

3 out of the 5 town likely aren't really contributing. It takes 4 to lynch. With the level of participation in this thread, and you hellbent on lynching a townie, town will never lynch scum.

SO, how do we catch them? Well, I've made my case on Eevee, but understand why you wouldn't want to believe it's merits because, hey, he's supporting you! So if town cannot lynch scum because of the levels of participation, then we either lynch town or no-lynch.

What do you think happens in no lynch? Mafia kill innocent townie (say YN) and we are right back to this same spot tomorrow. You hellbent on lynching a townie and the rest of town lurking their way to a loss.

So at least by self-lynching, it forces a reveal that proves my townieness, giving something concrete for the town to try and work with tomorrow.

13831
You'll switch? I thought you said I have your vote?

My vote goes where I feel it has the best chance of helping town win. I was trying to get you to open your eyes before, but you insist on not seeing anything that doesn't match what you want to believe.

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Galzria voting for himself is a huge wtf. I'm trying to decide if he legitimely abandoned his wincon and doesnt want to play or if this some sick gambit. If he is mafia with nick or manda, he just had to trust the other wouldnt hammer and in time the focus would shift to me because self-lynchers are always town? I dont knowww. I'm definitely town and I dont think I've played scummy at all. I am going to fight for my life, I just dont know what to respond to atm because I see no case against me.

I have wholeheartedly agreed with timchen's case against Galzria. I still do, but that self vote looks very odd.

Aww, trying to back away? How cute.

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If YN or PPS comes and wants to join on an Eevee lynch I'll switch. Otherwise the lack of participation in this thread makes my own lynch the best way to move things forward, as you'll actually have concrete information to work with at the start of tomorrow.

13834
@sharky: you are falling into Galz's trap.

Please just see who he has accused. First he went strongly on me and eevee together as a team. Then he switched to manda. Now he says how affirmative he is about eevee.

I swear to my heart there is no single logical fallacy on my arguments on Galzria. (If you do not agree I welcome you to point out where you find unsatisfying or even wrong.) And my argument points toward Galzria as a highly likely mafia. Specifically, I pointed out under several circumstances what Galzr did is not so explanable as town behavior.

To compare, what do you guys have on eevee? Just that he sheeps my reads too much? Why can a townie not do that (given that you do not find a place where my argument is fallacious?)

I have explained where each and every one of your arguments is wrong, and I've spelled out exactly why I made the accusations I did. What it boils down to is that I was wrong, and to quote PPS, your play was "Piss poor town play".

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I'll gladly accept that. And do you mind me joking you now you definitely are not playing for your wincon, no matter whether you are town or mafia? (Ok, as mafia this may be a risky gambit)

Vote: Galzria

And if you really flip town, I promise I will look carefully at eevee.

Timchen, in some sense you're right. But this game is going in circles, and nobody else is participating. If you're Mafia I'll be really pissed, but you're more like IC to me now.

I don't KNOW who Eevee's partner is, but I'm SURE Eevee is scum. Since nobody else is participating this is the only thing that'll move the game forward - and at least by my reveal you and the town know the truth.

Lynch Eevee tomorrow, and town gets to a 2 on 1 final day matchup, which we can still win. And hell, maybe we do still have a Cop or Doc out there that can help even more.

So yeah, given the state of the game and the level of participation, a town lynch of me now trades for one scum tomorrow (and I beg you to sheep me reads on Eevee - You, and the rest of town) - I do actually think this is the best way to meet town wincon.

13837
Alright Timchen, I'm tired of this.
Vote: Galzria


Here's the mafia win you so badly want. Vote for me now, so you can see how completely off base and wrong you are.

I'm not dead yet because we're both town and Eevee is scum. He's been egging you on this whole time while offering nothing himself so that you take the fall. His partner some can't come hammer me, so they need another town to vote me, but every other town member here sees the illogical fallacies of your arguments and won't vote me.

THAT'S why. But you won't believe me. You think you're right and nothing else in the world makes sense. So lynch me, and see how blind you've been.

13838
I think you got something wrong on my thoughts: I think both scum are off the wagon.

13839
And thank you for your response above. I do see why you didn't think it was a softclaim... It just really read like one to me, and certainly at the time - yes, I admit it was unfathomable to me that you couldn't have stated it like that intentionally. So to something you brought up before - Yes, I was unwilling to consider the alternative that it was unintentional because it made no sense to me.

As to the whole who would a scum softclaim yadda yadda - I could see it working both ways. You're right that claiming a townie then NK'ing them would make sense... But realize that if a Doctor is in the game, you've basically told them who to protect because they know the softclaim to be a lie.

More importantly than your claim on Eevee then (or more directly), the pairing made sense to me because I already viewed Eevee as scummy (my case was laid out on him separate from you), and you seemed the only viable on-wagon partner (I too, fwiw dismissed PPS and SB).

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Tim, tell me something frankly and honestly here: If you assume for a second that you and I are both town, do you see Eevee's (or anybody else's) play in relation to our dispute scummy? Because I really think you're town after yesterdays play, and while you can't know it, I AM town too.

From that perspective - to me - Eevee really seemed to be pushing you on while doing no work himself. Manda to a lesser degree, but mostly she's just lurked her way through this game.

What I'm asking, is go back to the question I posed before, and with a clear head: If we're both town, what is our best chance to hit scum? I'll flip the tables here and offer you MY vote, but ask that you really look at Eevee and Manda.

13841
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia
« on: August 09, 2012, 04:20:55 am »
Confirmed.

13842
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 04:13:41 am »
You have flipped town! You have a one shot daykill that can only be used on Galzria and is activated if at any time Galzria votes for you.

Galzria is also confirmed town to you, but a miller to everyone else.

Crap.

Damn Bastard Games.... This is Cayvie paying me back for saying "I don't wanna play in your stupid game jerkface!"

13843
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 04:07:54 am »
Oh man, I should be sleeping, but I'm too excited to find out what I get in "Mafia IX--the first one that's fun to say since Mafia IV."

Wait, these are supposed to be FUN?

;)

13844
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 04:05:54 am »
Here ya go, from scratch for the non-lazy:

 
You have flipped town! You are unlynchable and bullet proof. You may only cast your Vote: O during this game.

You may bus O at any time, and you win if during any point in the game he turns up dead.

Enjoy!

13845
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:56:47 am »
>Clicks on Cayvie's name from the quote
>Gets sent to Ozle's profile

2/10

You had to click on it to realize it was fake? lol.

13846
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:53:07 am »
She sent it to me early.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:51:03 am »
You have flipped Town! You are unlynchable and bullet proof, and you can only Vote: O during the game.

You may bus him whenever you like, and win if he dies at any time.

Enjoy!

13848
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:44:18 am »
I got mine already.

13849
Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:42:24 am »
Dammit, where is Galrobzia when you need him for lols..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX Signups are closed.
« on: August 09, 2012, 03:41:29 am »
/in!

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