I see some people actually sort of agree with me that ashersky has been giving a scummy vibe. I won't vote for O today, because I don't think mafia would be bold enough to lurk until at L-1 and then come with all guns blazing at Robz like he did. Seems like O trying to make most of VT to me.
But see, we don't know for sure that O would have done this. He claims he was going to do this. I'm sure he's lying; he almost certainly did NOT plan to do this, regardless of his role. Now, whether the comment was more of a jest that anything incriminating is quite possible.
FoS does nothing. Just a way to show you suspect someone without actually casting a vote. I personally dont think it's very effective, votes build pressure which is good, fos is just too mild.
I have played like this in every game, super careful of throwing my vote early. That will stop now, I see how very anti-town behavior it is. It's really quite shocking how much more information the flip will give on any of the active voters compared to guys like me who just state what they feel but never back it up with a vote.
This is the part where I'd show my new ways and vote for someone, but that someone would be Robz and that would be the hammer. And let it be said: I would do that if I didn't want us to continue talking still.
Robz: My gut indeed says you are probably town, but mafia VII really was a sick learning experience of me. My gut sucks. And the fact is, O has a real case on you. While I certainly don't agree with his confidence in it, the cold truth is your flip would be super informational for town. If you read the first half of my summary, you surely noticed how much it would tell us. And there is the fact the worse case is that you are a vanilla townie. And the fact that O, a smart guy, is sure you are town (and I don't think he would drive it that hard as scum, although I admit it's possible).
So.. I'm sorry buddy, I think I got to go against my gut here. Especially because I don't have any scum reads on anyone yet. I'm hoping to get them from your flip!
So if you are town, this really sucks for you personally.. but gotham needs this from you.
Still, it seems better than going for a new target completely, possibly outing our power roles in the process. Although you do have me almost convinced of your innocence..Surely you must understand why I'd rather lynch for logical reasons than listen to my gut at this point?
Btw Robz, as I think it's quite possible you are town, I think you should absolutely at least share all your reads before you die. It's very unfortunate we are in this situation, but I just see no reasonable way out. I dont think it's morgrim at least. Actually..
Vote: ashersky, bring chaos to the world. I think ashersky is more likely than robz to be scum, but I'm still not sure if Robz is just the better lynch for us.
And I do realize I'm taking a pretty big role here by even suggesting another wagon, but I got to get this off my mind.
I kind of want to lynch Cuzz, just Cuzz. (Pun made cuzz I can)
Moving on though, I like that you've brought up everything you find slightly suspicious. (Though this could be a good mafia play to generally raise suspicions on everyone for small behaviours.) Does anyone (Cuzz in particular) else have anything to say in response to Eevee's post?
Cuzz's answer to my survey:Hmm, I feel like answering all of your questions would be a major FMFP. However:What does FMFP stand for? I called him out for dodging the question, he laughed it off and never really answered it. Which is maybe slightly scummy.
3. Nice try. My role PM did seem to contain an unnecessary amount of gender confusion though.
4. Again nice try. I've been hurt too many times before.
This is somewhat interesting because I was later called out on flying under the radar or whatever the wording was. I'll remember to check who said that and what ashersky thought of it when I get that far. (Note: in the next post Cuzz also asks if Eevee talking too much and maybe suspicious because of that.)
On you being memorable and then under the radar (that was me that said it), it's possible to be both. I really shouldn't have said "under the radar," since it sounds like I meant lurking, but it really meant saying things that kept us from thinking about you in any meaningful way, but instead kept us thinking about others (much like this incredibly long post that says zip about yourself). So not really "under the radar" so much as wearing an invisibility cloak...or something. And it seems like a great way to keep from being outed as scum, you know, to keep everyone else occupied with thinking about everyone else.
Cuzz jumps on the wagon too. He puts Robz at L-1, but claims he didn't notice ashersky's vote before posting. Ashersky posted exactly 5 minutes before him, so it's certainly possible Cuzz is lying about that. If robz flips scum, there is no way in hell Cuzz is scum too.Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.
Yeah, this line plus everything O said has made me suspicious (the last point was especially convincing).
I'm for building the Vote: Robz888 bandwagon back up.
... except that Cuzz unvotes when Robz tells him there is a morgrim on the loose. So Cuzz probably wasnt lying about not seeing ashersky's post, and legitimately did not want to put robz in L-1.
I hope I do get lynched. The expression on your faces will be well worth it.
I think O's case against Robz seems plausible, so I'd put Robz as slightly scummier than your average 2/9ths. OTOH I think that the single-mindedness with which O is pursuing Robz shows a certainty that I don't think any townie could have. Only scum know exactly who the scum are... So that puts O as slightly scummy in my books as well.
If I'm scum bussing scum (protip: I'm not) then shut up and take your free scumkill in Robz.
If I'm scum tunneling this hard on a townie.. well that's rather terrible scum play.
You, too, Morgrim. I want you to get in here and be accountable for your shit. Town does not wan to kill town. If you are town, you voted for town (yourself). Why would you do this? Why do you want to hurt the town? (same with claiming VT)
I'm sick of letting anti-town behavior run amok.
Oh yeah. With all the content I forgot that my vote was still on O. It's fulfilled its sole purpose (getting him to post), so unvote
It didn't rather. All of your refusals to put anyone to L-1 without me forced me to post.
Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.
fgmmm...grrr...hmph...confirm...grmhh...grmph....grrr... *frown*Robz, what would have been your least favorite role to receive in this game?
Easy. Vanilla Townie. You?if you make a wagon on me I will selfhammer and turn up VT. BTW, I am a VT.Just mad 'cause this is the millionth game where I have been a VT.
Does being this obviously mad about being VT seem sort of scummy to anyone else? I realize "Morgrim is Morgrim. blah blah," but I don't know, this strikes me as odd. Robz says he hasn't ever been mafia when he flips, but he's just as likely to be as anyone else... Seems like we're overdue for a scum Morgrim (I realized that this is not how probability works).
FOS: Morgrim
Just to get your attention, it's not a vote unless it's in the correct form (Vote: Eevee for example).
Viewing the thread in print mode and searching for the isotropic nickname of the desired person will show you all the posts he has made in this thread.
What's the deal with the quicktopic thing? Are active players allowed to look at what people are saying there?No. Sorry I should have specified. Only spectators and dead players are allowed.in fact I should not have put it up. Sorry I will need to make another one that people can pm me asking for
Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.Fair enough. Unvote.
Any reasoning as to why it shouldn't be you, though?
Because I'm not scum.
Also, all things being equal, we're probably better off lynching a noob. Look what happened in MVII (what happened was the 3 most experience players died Day 1, Night 1, Day 2... and scum cruised to an easy win).
Aren't we actually better off lynching Mafia? Do we really want to kill off town numbers just to get the people who don't really know what they're doing out of the game?
Of course we're better off lynching mafia. Is that actually a question?
Hey guys, let's ease up on the RVS votes for me a bit here. Wouldn't want to accidentally lynch me already. It only takes 5 votes, people.Fair enough. Unvote.
Any reasoning as to why it shouldn't be you, though?
Because I'm not scum.
Also, all things being equal, we're probably better off lynching a noob. Look what happened in MVII (what happened was the 3 most experience players died Day 1, Night 1, Day 2... and scum cruised to an easy win).
