I've gotta say the igauna / Space wagons are neatly fitting with my reads. Of course at least 1 townie is voting for iguana by now.
scumslip?
I've gotta say the igauna / Space wagons are neatly fitting with my reads. Of course at least 1 townie is voting for iguana by now.
I can handle random person vendettas. But it's still a terrible way to scumhunt day 5.Now look who's talking.
Why do you think you are the only person to take those posts seriously, Space?
I can't speak for everyone else, but for me it's because I have a much stronger sense of logic than of humour, and I find hiding behind "oh, I was only joking" claims to be something that benefits scum and hurts town.Everyone else accepted them fully as a joke. Faust is presumably the 2-shot Vig and never took it as a scummy softclaim, when he'd be paying the most attention to it.
That isn't the fake-claim I was referring to in either of the posts whose numbers I gave. I'm referring to you giving strong townreads in italics to both Cuzz and RR. It's super-unhelpful to town to have a player whose reads are all maybe-jokes.You should also probably reread Awaclus day 1. I just find it odd that someone who pays attention to language so carefully wouldn't understand why I don't like Awaclus calling people retards.
What are you even asking for here? That I re-read one of our two ICs so I can go and get worked up for non-alignment-indicative behaviour? Or are you suggesting I should scumread him for it?
1) Awaclus is an IC.
2) Awaclus is a player I've played with a number of times before. While it can be annoying, I do have something of a feel for his playstyle, and I respect where he's trying to go with it, even though I don't agree that it's an optimal strategy with many opponents. Getting frustrated with Awaclus for being Awaclus is not a fruitful exercise.
3) Calling people names like that is distasteful, but doesn't make him scummy. Also, afaik he's a non-native speaker; I'd tend to give non-native speakers a little more leeway for not understanding the offensiveness of a term, since appropriate/inappropriate use is something of a cultural/social thing.
It is clear from your response that you are just fitting your explanations to the reads you already have, not the other way around. I thinkfurther arguments with you are pointless.
We should break down the whole "faust is scum" theory as it doesn't make sense on any level.
- it has been pretty clear from D1 that I would eventually claim vig. Scum doesn't even want this because claiming it requires them to shoot "reasonable" targets, but what they actually want is to take out the towniest/strongest players. We know from the massclaim that scum very likely hid some of their
PRs. Why wouldn't they do they same with their strongest one?
I shot the first chance I got. This is clear. This is again not something scum wants. Later it becomes much clearer which players need taking out. Scum wouldn't shoot the vig in N1/N2.
with a team this size, I would always absolutely try to sacrifice someone early for towncred. I have previously gone on record stating that I like this sort of play, and I have won a game where I bussed a partner to death D1. I would never choose to only go after town.
I would never agree to a play like the one ash did here as scum. ash likes to do weird claims just for the heck of it, but of course this would eventually break down. Had I been ash's partner, I would at the very least have pointed out the gaping holes and logical errors in his fakeclaim. For evidence on this, you can check the post-game discussion of that game where ash and gkrieg fakeclaimed Masons.
ash specifically tried to frame Galz/me as Werewolves prior to e's flip. I think he truly believed that to some extent, and that is why he claimed. Of course this cannot be if I'm actually his partner.
PPS was the single worst town death possible for scum. Literally any other townie dying would have been better for them. As scum, wouldn't I have tried my best to be able to shoot someone else? I had other scumreads that I could reasonably have shot.
On N2, Galz blocked ash, leading to one less death than expected. If the scum kill has been blocked at that stage, I could simply have claimed that I did not shoot, explaining away the missing kill and preventing ashersky going down.
He hatched the plan when he thought he would lose anyway due to the mcmc/TWM situation and just wanted to have some fun.Why would ashersky do a 1 for 1 trade?And why is that?No, I distrust you because I think you're scumThe problem is that I distrust Faust, so either he's bussing iguana or diverting attention from Space, but I can't figure out which.You distrust me, therefore I must be scum?
If you're so sure that I am scum, you should vote for me and not for Space/iguana.
bussing is SO MUCH FUN though. Trust me I try to do it every scumgame.I pushed extremely hard for the Ashersky wagon on like D2.
Hmm...
He hatched the plan when he thought he would lose anyway due to the mcmc/TWM situation and just wanted to have some fun.Why would ashersky do a 1 for 1 trade?And why is that?No, I distrust you because I think you're scumThe problem is that I distrust Faust, so either he's bussing iguana or diverting attention from Space, but I can't figure out which.You distrust me, therefore I must be scum?
If you're so sure that I am scum, you should vote for me and not for Space/iguana.
Iguana i'm not scumreading mostly because i have this false dichotomy between Space/Iguana when both could absolutely be scum.So you're not scumreading iguana because he could be scum?
Context is relevant. If I remember correctly, you hav enot caught any more scum than I have so far too. It's easy to just point at my kills and say "that's scummy", but the PPS kill was always pro-town and not something scum wants to happen, so you have exactly one piece of evidence, namely my Cuzz kill; 7 other poeple were part of the Cuzz wagon that you for some reason do not suspect.We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial. Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.
It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.
Baynesian stats aren't evidence? Every town you vig/hard commit a case against makes it less likely you're a town member.
we can be moderately confident that Ashersky claimed a slot that was claimed by scum. But he was in hot water so its not completely out of the question that he would fakeclaim a slot.What? ash claimed after everyone else. He could have cherrypicked anything.
We have a 50-50 on Space/Iguana, which we can kind of take whenever. It's not like resolving that 50-50 right now is somehow crucial. Do we think Faust's flip is going to illuminate who to lynch among those two?Well if that's going to happen, just promise me to lynch iguana afterwards.
It shouldn't happen really. No evidence is pointing towards me being scum, and if you really considered the ash/me interaction, you would realize that we're in no way scum together.
I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust
Well first tell me if Faust is bussing you or not and then we can figure out if he's trying to bus Iguana or deflect.
He's not bussing me because I am not scum. But he may try to set a mislynch up on me
I think I can believe in a world with scum team of Space/Iguana/faust. But I really want to decide Space/iguana situation first and then lynch faust
