Wait, so it actually is called Count?
And here, when I saw the post alluding to that as an acronym, I was assuming that 'of', as a "little word", was to be omitted from the intended acronym...
Rinkworks and I totally designed a card almost exactly like band of misfits in the early days of the Fan Cards subforum. It's called Master of Disguise. I remember having multiple arguments about the wording and whether it should be a five or a six.
Note that you don't want to play one after a few Highways...
So this one time, at Bandit Camp, I gained a Spoils.
(Is that movie actually old enough that I'm dating myself?)
Yeah, definitely. I think it's going to be a really powerful card that you have to use opportunistically.Ah good point. I got it in my head that you could trash 4 cards from hand like Chapel, but yeah it's only 3 at most. Although sometimes that can help it, since if it collides with a good card, you can put that card back on deck before trashing the rest.I meant trash down to 1 card (just Count) first, then use the $3 option.Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily.
Nope. "Trash your hand" and "+$3" are mutually exclusive.
Well, that's slow. If you have Count in hand with 4 cards you want to trash, you have to discard 2 of them, put one back on your deck, or gain a Copper. So you're really only removing 3 cards max per play. As Donald has said elsewhere, a Chapel that can only trash 3 cards is just much, much slower.
werothegreat, now we're talking. Tried to avoid all this talks, but no I cannot avoid it any longer. Time for updating the first thoughts post.
Haven't read the last comments, but Procession has no "if you do" clause, so this means I can play Procession+Feast to get 3 Duchies, right?
No. Procession itself can only gain non-Action cards, so you get two Duchies maximum from that.
No. It only gains Action cards.
Noble Brigand is to Thief as: Vagrant is to Scout, Scavenger is to Chancellor, Count is to Mandarin. A lot of weak cards getting updated to be strong.
Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily. Works best if there is a card like Fishing Village that allows you to ignore Silver entirely.
Or grab poor house/squire on the two and hope they don't collide...
werothegreat, now we're talking. Tried to avoid all this talks, but no I cannot avoid it any longer. Time for updating the first thoughts post.
Haven't read the last comments, but Procession has no "if you do" clause, so this means I can play Procession+Feast to get 3 Duchies, right?
No. Procession itself can only gain non-Action cards, so you get two Duchies maximum from that.
Ah, haven't read the "Action" part, but still, I can get 3 cards costing $5, right?
I meant trash down to 1 card (just Count) first, then use the $3 option.Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily.
Nope. "Trash your hand" and "+$3" are mutually exclusive.
werothegreat, now we're talking. Tried to avoid all this talks, but no I cannot avoid it any longer. Time for updating the first thoughts post.
Haven't read the last comments, but Procession has no "if you do" clause, so this means I can play Procession+Feast to get 3 Duchies, right?
Oh, and Count is a ridiculous 5/2 opening. Open Count, trash EVERYTHING, use the $3 to buy Silver, and continue on happily.
Just to clarify, Procession can only gain an Action card costing exactly $1 more than the trashed card. So if you use Procession on a $5 Action and there are no $6 Actions in play, you gain nothing.
Changed. Thank you.
No, not Altar. Procession. Altar can gain any card costing up to $5.
Sorry, made the cahnge too quickly. I think I nailed it this time.
Just to clarify, Procession can only gain an Action card costing exactly $1 more than the trashed card. So if you use Procession on a $5 Action and there are no $6 Actions in play, you gain nothing.
Changed. Thank you.
But how can a card be played that doesn't exist? Either it plays the BoM the second time, in which case it's playing a BoM-as-whatever-you-choose-that-second-time, or it doesn't, in which case... which card is it playing? Where is the Feast?So TR'ing a BoM lets you choose twice, right?
So if we pick Feast the first time, we trash it and gain a $5 card.
We could choose Feast a 2nd time and get a $5 card.
And if we pick Mining Village the 2nd time, do we get $2 if we trash it?
No. According to Donald X. BoM is whatever card you play it as. You aren't TRing a BoM, you are TRing a Feast, if you choose Feast.
This explains the Conspirator interaction to me, but I don't see how it has much to do with Throne Room.Every Action card we've seen before Dark Ages has had an implicit but omitted prefix of "When you play this, …"
(Actually, it's not omitted on Noble Brigand.)
Yeah, so the Band-of-Misfits situation seems to be more of a when-you-would-play scenario—comparable to the difference between the timing of Trader's and Watchtower's reactions.
Every Action card we've seen before Dark Ages has had an implicit but omitted prefix of "When you play this, …"
(Actually, it's not omitted on Noble Brigand.)
Yeah, so the Band-of-Misfits situation seems to be more of a when-you-would-play scenario—comparable to the difference between the timing of Trader's and Watchtower's reactions.
What I want to know (and this was under spoiler tags):
Procession.
Band of Misfits - turn it into Fortress.
Does it go back into my hand?
Yeah, whether or not Band of Misfits gives you the on-trash benefits of the card it mimics is really the biggest remaining question, especially since it's in Dark Ages.
That seems to be answered above, especially with the discussion of Treasure Map. If it's trashed from play, it gives the on-trash benefits of the card it mimics. (If it's trashed from elsewhere, it's not mimicking anything.)
What I want to know (and this was under spoiler tags):
Procession.
Band of Misfits - turn it into Fortress.
Does it go back into my hand?
Hey Donald - you suck for not being grateful enough to Kirian etc.http://chainsawsuit.com/2011/10/21/cautions-from-a-former-employer/
But that doesn't make you an incredible monster.
Hope this is clear enough for you!
I was always under the impression that that phrase was meant to imply that you should get out as quickly as possibly, butt-hitting suggesting that you're taking your sweet ass time to leave.
I think Band of Misfits might end up becoming my all-time favorite Dominion card.
